A Cautionary Tale: Sony 600mm f/4 and 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3: Knock-Out Blow? A Cautionary Tale: Sony 600mm f/4 and 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3: Knock-Out Blow?

gwilliams6

A Cautionary Tale: Sony 600mm f/4 and 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3: Knock-Out Blow?
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MDI Mainer

The analogy I use is the car industry. Detroit was asleep at the switch for so long the American manufacturers will never catch up to the Japanese and Europeans, and Canon and Nikon will never catch up to Sony's mirrorless technology.

sr71 Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land

MDI Mainer wrote:

The analogy I use is the car industry. Detroit was asleep at the switch for so long the American manufacturers will never catch up to the Japanese and Europeans, and Canon and Nikon will never catch up to Sony's mirrorless technology.

If they pour r/d into it they could, but the motivation has got to be there....

chapjohn Loc: Tigard, Oregon

I got to see, handle and use the 200-600 lens at an event I was the photog. It is a good lens. I has interal focus and weighs less than I expected.

MDI Mainer

sr71 wrote:

If they pour r/d into it they could, but the motivation has got to be there....

And you have to assume Sony would elect to stand still all the while!

bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada

MDI Mainer wrote:

And you have to assume Sony would elect to stand still all the while!

And I doubt very much that will happen!

bwa

gwilliams6

MDI Mainer wrote:

And you have to assume Sony would elect to stand still all the while!

Not happening, Sony will continue to move forward IMHO.

sr71 Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land

MDI Mainer wrote:

And you have to assume Sony would elect to stand still all the while!

I don't assume anything matie.

gwilliams6

chapjohn wrote:

I got to see, handle and use the 200-600 lens at an event I was the photog. It is a good lens. I has interal focus and weighs less than I expected.

Yes I preordered one for my A9 and A7RIII.

Cheese

MDI Mainer wrote:

The analogy I use is the car industry. Detroit was asleep at the switch for so long the American manufacturers will never catch up to the Japanese and Europeans, and Canon and Nikon will never catch up to Sony's mirrorless technology.

Difference is Detroit was not just asleep at the switch, their products were crap. Also, people in the market for new cars did not have a vested financial interest in their old brands. Today's offerings from Canon and Nikon are certainly not crap; and serious amateurs like those on this forum, with a collection of bodies and lenses built up over the years, may be willing to wait for their legacy brands to catch up, rather than jumping brands.

gwilliams6

Cheese wrote:

Difference is Detroit was not just asleep at the switch, their products were crap. Also, people in the market for new cars did not have a vested financial interest in their old brands. Today's offerings from Canon and Nikon are certainly not crap; and serious amateurs like those on this forum, with a collection of bodies and lenses built up over the years, may be willing to wait for their legacy brands to catch up, rather than jumping brands.

After 40 years shooting Nikon and Canon pro gear, I couldn't wait any longer for them to catch up to the best tech and performance in FF mirrorless, so I moved to Sony in January 2017 and have never looked back. They have a load of catching up to do, and I have photos to make, so I am happy to have switched when I did.

Neverlost99 Loc: Sarasota

I predict the Apple will buy Sony in the near future. Match made in heaven.

Neverlost99 Loc: Sarasota

LUMIX moving as well

MDI Mainer

Cheese wrote:

Difference is Detroit was not just asleep at the switch, their products were crap. Also, people in the market for new cars did not have a vested financial interest in their old brands. Today's offerings from Canon and Nikon are certainly not crap; and serious amateurs like those on this forum, with a collection of bodies and lenses built up over the years, may be willing to wait for their legacy brands to catch up, rather than jumping brands.

Granted that comparing the technical shortcomings of say a Ford Pinto and a contemporary DSLR is a bit unfair, the point I was making is that failing to keep current with technological progress while others are doing so (and will continue to advance) works an irreparable injury to a company's competitive stance.

And I'm not sure I'd be so dismissive of automobile brand loyalty, nor forget that legacy glass needs an adapter to mount to a mirrorless body, and that adapter degrades performance to a greater or lesser extent.

gwilliams6

MDI Mainer wrote:

Granted that comparing the technical shortcomings ... (show quote)

I was in total agreement with you, BUT lens adapters to mirrorless bodies contain NO glass elements, they are (rear lens element to sensor) spacers, with electronic connections and software to allow lens focusing and aperture control and communication between lens and body. They do not degrade lens optical performance, but can cause autofocusing performance issues if the software algorithms (in the adapter and in the mirrorless body) aren't closely matched.