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May 5, 2019 10:24:27   #
martinfisherphoto Loc: Lake Placid Florida
 
Some of You guys are killing me... Take a peek over on 500px or some other High Quality Photo Site.. The pro's on these sites are not capturing a lot of the high dynamic range photographs in One Shot... They are utilizing raw, camera's ability to shot in bracketing modes, their photoshop software and anything else they have in the tool box.....Nothing is necessary, but.......................

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May 5, 2019 10:24:32   #
pico
 
bleirer wrote:
I think you have to know the limits of your gear and what you are trying to do. My gear is more middlin' for DR. I'm getting in the habit of keeping the histogram visible in the viewfinder, and it is surprising to me how many scenes dribble off the histogram both left and right in the same image. A lot of times you can figure out that what is lost is unimportant, by moving the camera or holding a hand out to block part, but sometimes you can't tell. You can take a shot and turn the blinkies on in the playback, but on my camera that only shows blown highlights. Besides taking time to chimp is more time than bracketing. So why not bracket in some cases? The film is free and you don't have to even keep the ones that are wasted.. I set it to capture normal, darker, lighter in that order. Sometimes you wish you had a shadow or highlight in your back pocket to blend.
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Thank you. Very much appreciated. So much to learn! I am now experimenting with my elements software that lets me use three bracketed shots (like yours) to combine into on final photo.

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May 5, 2019 10:25:00   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
pico wrote:
I've experimented with bracketing using three exposures. What is gained in the post-processing as a result of bracketing? Thanks for your thoughts and experiences.


Why, are you bracketing, you can check your first exposure and if it is correct, you can stop there. Bracketing made sense in the film days and still does when shooting film. Now, if you are bracketing for HDR that is a different question and story. Once you get one correct digital exposure you can play with it (darken, lighten, change contrast, anything) as much as you like. I don't bracket any longer, except when using camera i'm not familiar with, or shooting under conditions or using a technique I'm not familiar with.

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May 5, 2019 10:26:13   #
pico
 
martinfisherphoto wrote:
Some of You guys are killing me... Take a peek over on 500px or some other High Quality Photo Site.. The pro's on these sites are not capturing a lot of the high dynamic range photographs in One Shot... They are utilizing raw, camera's ability to shot in bracketing modes, their photoshop software and anything else they have in the tool box.....Nothing is necessary, but.......................


Excellent suggestion and thanks for your help and feedback!

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May 5, 2019 10:26:41   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
DesRose wrote:
I know alot of people feel offended by Bob's quote. I am not. If people do not know how to use manual exposure, then it IS easier to do exposure bracketing and pick the photo with best exposure/capture. I would also add, "or for lazy people or people in a rush." When only 1 photo is truly needed to capture full dynamic range with minimal noise, it is EASIER/FASTER to just do a 3 bracket exposure instead of putting camera on manual mode and adjusting dials accordingly to get the best exposure from 1 shot. I am often guilty of this myself especially if out shooting with a group and have to move quickly. It's not as if we are shooting film. It's easy to delete any unwanted photos while saving the 'keepers'.
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"or for lazy people or people in a rush" Well at least you didn't add deplorable. Did I miss the part where someone put you and the other pompous, arrogant and self serving a holes in charge to decide what everyone should be doing?

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May 5, 2019 10:33:16   #
Dale Evans - Amaetur Loc: Baton Rouge, La
 
Is it necessary? Well, that is up to you and how much data you want to capture.

All photo detail is really only data so, therefore, the more data we can capture the more details we will see.
If you want to see details in the shadows, expose for the shadows which will stretch the shadow histogram.

Some scenes have a dynamic range that is greater than the sensor can capture and bracketing is the only answer.

The only reason not to bracket such a scene is subject movement. It can be done, but personally, I do not enjoy aligning images.

Dale

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May 5, 2019 10:34:25   #
pico
 
terpentijn wrote:
Indeed. Even the most high end cameras can’t capture the dynamic range of the human eye. That’s where bracketing comes in. I mostly use five to seven images for this if I really want the shot. Since I’m not a big fan of HDR I mostly perspective in a way I get a smaller dynamic range.


Thanks. Are your shots "automatic" or do you take each one individually?

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May 5, 2019 10:36:00   #
bleirer
 
Speed that kills wrote:
Ok, the newbie (me) is lost... Take the photo's done by Elia Lacardia, would those be examples of photo's that are bracketed? or something completely different


That looks like a very worthwhile course if you are willing to spend the money. His step 2 in the free video was exposure blending, and that is one thing bracketing can be useful for. https://blamethemonkey.com/free-photography-and-post-processing-tutorials-elia-locardi

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May 5, 2019 10:36:52   #
pico
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Why, are you bracketing, you can check your first exposure and if it is correct, you can stop there. Bracketing made sense in the film days and still does when shooting film. Now, if you are bracketing for HDR that is a different question and story. Once you get one correct digital exposure you can play with it (darken, lighten, change contrast, anything) as much as you like. I don't bracket any longer, except when using camera i'm not familiar with, or shooting under conditions or using a technique I'm not familiar with.
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Thanks. The various ideas and suggestions are helping me figure that out. There is so much more than just pressing that shutter!!! I discovered my software lets me use HDR to combine the photos. Now trying to figure that out as I am also trying to figure out my camera.

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May 5, 2019 10:45:01   #
bleirer
 
pico wrote:
Thanks. The various ideas and suggestions are helping me figure that out. There is so much more than just pressing that shutter!!! I discovered my software lets me use HDR to combine the photos. Now trying to figure that out as I am also trying to figure out my camera.


I would suggest you make friends with your histogram, observe what it does in different light. You will notice it is bunched in the middle for a low contrast middle scene, or bunched to the left if the scene or your interpretation is low key, or to the right if it is high key. Or a sunny day with high whites and deep blacks might shoot a straight line up at the rightmost and leftmost edges, showing highlights and shadows with zero detail, no matter how much post processing you do.

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May 5, 2019 11:22:13   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
catchlight.. wrote:
Bracketing and editing in 16 bit Raw will eclipse any Jpeg image by a mile.... period.

I wonder sometimes why the Jpeg and other miss-information comes on so strong. I hope the younger or new people using this blog don't take statements like yours seriously.


Not everyone has your apparent ability. You must belong to the SOC, full manual, only RAW and no post processing club. I wish I was as good as you think you are.

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May 5, 2019 11:23:46   #
wapiti Loc: round rock, texas
 
robertjerl wrote:
For those who say bracketing is not needed if you know how to expose properly.

Some scenes just plain have too much dynamic range for any know digital sensor or film type to record without sacrificing either the highlights or the shadows.
If you are experienced you know which you prefer and how to expose for it. If you are a beginner then bracketing is the way you learn how to get your preference.

But if you don't want to sacrifice the shadow areas or highlights then bracketing and HDR blending is the answer. I shoot only RAW and in some cases there are scenes that cannot even be saved processing from RAW.

Yes, I did study the "Zone Method" in a college photo course back when we made pictures by scratching flat rocks with pointed rocks (at least some people think it was that long ago). In a dusty old folder I still have a couple of prints I produced that earned an 'A' from a professor who learned the Zone Method from Adam's darkroom tech.
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May 5, 2019 11:39:40   #
pico
 
bleirer wrote:
That looks like a very worthwhile course if you are willing to spend the money. His step 2 in the free video was exposure blending, and that is one thing bracketing can be useful for. https://blamethemonkey.com/free-photography-and-post-processing-tutorials-elia-locardi


Thanks for the video link. Just watched it! Good information for me as a newbie but also can be overwhelming about post processing but it piques my interest and growth curve. Nothing to be concerned about.

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May 5, 2019 11:41:35   #
Charlie C Loc: North Liberty, IA
 
If shadow detail is important and you're looking for maximum dynamic range prior to post processing then one might want to know just where highlights start to loose detail. Blinkies can be checked but are not precise, especially when checking the jpg created from the raw file. A little over exposure with raw can be brought back in PS. ETTR becomes a factor for exact exposure to choose the best image possible for editing critical highlight detail. I use bracketing in the above situation for such instances but use manual bracketing as I find it faster to use, generally in one third increments in the above scenario. If one is learning photography bracketing can be a learning tool for gaining experience.

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May 5, 2019 11:42:24   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
pico wrote:
I've experimented with bracketing using three exposures. What is gained in the post-processing as a result of bracketing? Thanks for your thoughts and experiences.

Bracketing is only necessary when the histogram on your camera shows that the composition's dynamic range exceeds the camera's dynamic range.

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