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Apr 24, 2019 16:41:28   #
Reconvic Loc: clermont Fl
 
In the 4 weeks that I have been a member on UH I have learned much. That any affordable 600 zoom lens will perform as good as the other. That "lighting and getting close" is all important to a sharp image . That morning "golden hour back light " is all important followed by getting as close to your subject as you can.
(thanks imagemeister for driving that home)Upon joining here I immediately posted images and asked for critiques...thank you all. Recently I've posted images and have received unasked for criticism from inept pixel peepers who have never gotten even a good image.

Rule number: 1. If you take the time to criticize then take the time to show a better pertinent image or at
least have an example in your repertoire.

I have recently posted 2 images that received criticism that I was concerned about. I looked at the critic's topics and …….definitely didn't qualify them to criticize. I know that we all have different perspectives and criteria for what we consider to be: "outstanding". As a retired Recon Marine (special forces) and OCD I am striving for perfection (very redundant sentence) I will never achieve perfection in this hobby and that makes me happy. There is no rule number 2 just that if you can't back up your criticism then I would rather that you go on your way.

over saturated?
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unsaturated?
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perfect pose
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not a good pose
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Apr 24, 2019 16:44:08   #
BebuLamar
 
I never criticize any image nor post any unless asked for.

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Apr 24, 2019 16:45:15   #
Reconvic Loc: clermont Fl
 
should be rule number 2

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Apr 24, 2019 16:51:55   #
Haydon
 
The important criticism is constructive criticism in a way that isn't demeaning. There may be valuable comments issued from someone not as skilled as yourself. It's a matter of filtering accordingly. There are movie critics out there but how many of them make movies :)

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Apr 24, 2019 16:54:52   #
BebuLamar
 
Haydon wrote:
The important criticism is constructive criticism in a way that isn't demeaning. There may be valuable comments issued from someone not as skilled as yourself. There are movie critics but how many of them make movies :)


That is a good point. People like myself who only make photographs for myself then only I am the critic. If you want to make images to sell, to please others then these people although don't know how to create an image but they are your critics. If they don't like your images then you are not successful. When you go to a restaurant you can't criticize the food because you don't know a thing about cooking?

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Apr 24, 2019 16:57:15   #
Reconvic Loc: clermont Fl
 
well said but in this case I disagree. How can you criticize a photo of a Purple Gallinule or a Green Heron if you've never captured one or ever seen one?

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Apr 24, 2019 17:01:27   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Yup.
Some will criticize because it's "not perfect";
Some because it's not the way they would have shot it;
Some because they want to see if you have any dead/stuck pixels;
Some because what's in focus is not what they would have in focus;
Some because it's not "real";
Some know everything.

I only offer suggestions if asked, and if there is one to be made.
(I might ask a question, like "What if you ..... .".)
What I like and what other people like will not be the same.
I shoot for myself, and I'm comfortable with that.
And yes, I can realize after the fact (and reflection), that maybe I should have done a shot differently.
BUT, that's the way the shutter clicked at the time...

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Apr 24, 2019 17:02:32   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Reconvic wrote:
well said but in this case I disagree. How can you criticize a photo of a Purple Gallinule or a Green Heron if you've never captured one or ever seen one?


That is pretty funny.

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Apr 24, 2019 17:02:52   #
martinfisherphoto Loc: Lake Placid Florida
 
Heck, I'll criticize. I don't think the first image is over saturated, these birds do have a little green in them and all the more, closer to breeding season which is about now. The others I would not give much thought too. One of the first lessons in bird photography is to shoot early morning with a rising sun 7am to 10:30ish. In this fashion the bird is fully lit when you wait patiently for it to come out of cover. Dapple light and deep shadows from an over head sun just kill the shot. Of coarse with the rising sun, the sun is to Your back and your facing your subject which is fully lit up. I do like your prospective, your low and at eye level with the subject, that's a big plus. Because lighting is critical for wildlife your hours for the Perfect light is limited. Of coarse there are exceptions and mood lighting can be a plus as well, but not half in half out of light and deep shadows. I welcome you to check all of my back post to see if I qualify to critique wildlife images. As you have experienced here on the Hogg, a lot of the folks talk about photography, not all actually participate or qualify as photographers. Perfection or the quest make this hobby and ever ending endeavor.

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Apr 24, 2019 17:04:53   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
Reconvic wrote:
well said but in this case I disagree. How can you criticize a photo of a Purple Gallinule or a Green Heron if you've never captured one or ever seen one?


May I suggest, click "quote reply" as I did here so we can see who you are addressing.

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Apr 24, 2019 17:07:37   #
Reconvic Loc: clermont Fl
 
martinfisherphoto wrote:
Heck, I'll criticize. I don't think the first image is over saturated, these birds do have a little green in them and all the more, closer to breeding season which is about now. The others I would not give much thought too. One of the first lessons in bird photography is to shoot early morning with a rising sun 7am to 10:30ish. In this fashion the bird is fully lit when you wait patiently for it to come out of cover. Dapple light and deep shadows from an over head sun just kill the shot. Of coarse with the rising sun, the sun is to Your back and your facing your subject which is fully lit up. I do like your prospective, your low and at eye level with the subject, that's a big plus. Because lighting is critical for wildlife your hours for the Perfect light is limited. Of coarse there are exceptions and mood lighting can be a plus as well, but not half in half out of light and deep shadows. I welcome you to check all of my back post to see if I qualify to critique wildlife images. As you have experienced here on the Hogg, a lot of the folks talk about photography, not all actually participate or qualify as photographers. Perfection or the quest make this hobby and ever ending endeavor.
Heck, I'll criticize. I don't think the first imag... (show quote)


I feel you brother Martin...totally agree and I have viewed your outstanding work

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Apr 24, 2019 17:08:53   #
Reconvic Loc: clermont Fl
 
Longshadow wrote:
Yup.
Some will criticize because it's "not perfect";
Some because it's not the way they would have shot it;
Some because they want to see if you have any dead/stuck pixels;
Some because what's in focus is not what they would have in focus;
Some because it's not "real";
Some know everything.

I only offer suggestions if asked, and if there is one to be made.
(I might ask a question, like "What if you ..... .".)
What I like and what other people like will not be the same.
I shoot for myself, and I'm comfortable with that.
And yes, I can realize after the fact (and reflection), that maybe I should have done a shot differently.
BUT, that's the way the shutter clicked at the time...
Yup. br Some will criticize because it's "not... (show quote)

sigh...those critics...well said

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Apr 24, 2019 17:42:07   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Reconvic wrote:
well said but in this case I disagree. How can you criticize a photo of a Purple Gallinule or a Green Heron if you've never captured one or ever seen one?


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Apr 24, 2019 18:50:31   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
Reconvic wrote:
In the 4 weeks that I have been a member on UH I have learned much. That any affordable 600 zoom lens will perform as good as the other. That "lighting and getting close" is all important to a sharp image . That morning "golden hour back light " is all important followed by getting as close to your subject as you can.
(thanks imagemeister for driving that home)Upon joining here I immediately posted images and asked for critiques...thank you all. Recently I've posted images and have received unasked for criticism from inept pixel peepers who have never gotten even a good image.

Rule number: 1. If you take the time to criticize then take the time to show a better pertinent image or at
least have an example in your repertoire.

I have recently posted 2 images that received criticism that I was concerned about. I looked at the critic's topics and …….definitely didn't qualify them to criticize. I know that we all have different perspectives and criteria for what we consider to be: "outstanding". As a retired Recon Marine (special forces) and OCD I am striving for perfection (very redundant sentence) I will never achieve perfection in this hobby and that makes me happy. There is no rule number 2 just that if you can't back up your criticism then I would rather that you go on your way.
In the 4 weeks that I have been a member on UH I h... (show quote)


You need a thick skin in any Internet forum.

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Apr 24, 2019 18:56:42   #
MrAnalog
 
Hello Mr Victor.
The topic of this discussion welcomes criticism. I’m purely analog. I can’t remember when last I turned on my computer. However, I had my first b&w darkroom at 12 and color at 14 years old. I’ve been on this site for several months now just to see what digital photography entails. I signed up to comment just yesterday. I hope you feel I’m qualified to say this to you.
I feel all of your photographs are wonderful as they are. What I have a problem with is your failure to understand the difference between the two words opinion and critical. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. You however you are the only one here who is critical in the use of the word inept. That’s truly critical. I feel you owe the readers an apology. May I suggest therapy to help you understand OCD and how it affects your views of yourself and others.
Sincerely,

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