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Apr 23, 2019 08:47:07   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
"Some interesting stats on the winning World Press Photo 2019 photographs - over 70% of the photos were shot with Nikon/Canon full-frame DSLR cameras while only 4.4% were taken with a mirrorless camera (only 2.6% were taken with a Sony camera):"

Found on Nikon Rumors

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Apr 23, 2019 08:51:11   #
JasonC Loc: Houston, Texas
 
Bill_de wrote:
Some interesting stats on the winning World Press Photo 2019 photographs - over 70% of the photos were shot with Nikon/Canon full-frame DSLR cameras while only 4.4% were taken with a mirrorless camera (only 2.6% were taken with a Sony camera):

Found on Nikon Rumors

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In ten years those numbers will probably be reversed.

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Apr 23, 2019 08:55:09   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Bill_de wrote:
Some interesting stats on the winning World Press Photo 2019 photographs - over 70% of the photos were shot with Nikon/Canon full-frame DSLR cameras while only 4.4% were taken with a mirrorless camera (only 2.6% were taken with a Sony camera):

Found on Nikon Rumors

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Those people will not be able to support the future of DSLR's. That will be determined by mommy and daddy also the newer generation of people who will take pictures. Their weapon of choice will be the Cell Phone.

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Apr 23, 2019 09:10:22   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
To quote a line from “Death of a Salesman,” “Time, William, time!”

I believe the wave of the future is mirrorless. It hasn’t happened yet, but it’s coming.

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Apr 23, 2019 09:14:36   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
The surprising part of that report for me was the Fuji numbers vs the Sony numbers. 10.5 to 2.6

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Apr 23, 2019 09:19:50   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Rich1939 wrote:
The surprising part of that report for me was the Fuji numbers vs the Sony numbers. 10.5 to 2.6


That was the most surprising to me also. The total dslr to mirrorless was not a big surprise. My guess is that while the switch to mirrorless is still relatively slow, it is accelerating.

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Apr 23, 2019 09:33:01   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
I am not opposed to a shift to mirrorless cameras. But after looking carefully at a Z7 a few months ago (holding it and "messing" with it), my conclusions were mixed. I am a person who uses camera controls extensively. The smaller form factor necessarily squeezed tome things close together that I would have wished to be further apart. Lots of folks here have already made mention that we've not yet seen a "professional" mirrorless camera. And I believe that is correct. As an engineer with some experience in these matters, my conclusion is that neither the Z7 nor the Z6 has the level of ruggedness or durability that most people who make their living with those tools would require, especially over time. Let's remember...two of the big advantages that everyone talks about when discussing mirrorless are less weight and reduced size. Those advantages are both going to have to be sacrificed to achieve durability and ruggedness. So I'm guessing that we likely won't see true "professional" mirrorless cameras until the consumer technology is firmly established and its reputation can withstand larger and heavier models. At least that is how I would suggest playing the game.

A bigger problem, regardless of comments that I have read here and other places, is the exposed sensor. This is very real for working photographers opening their cameras in difficult environments, like near erupting volcanoes. It's actually very real for all of us as time passes. Sensors are incredibly sensitive components. Have you stopped to think what it means to have 50 million semiconductor devices exposed to the environment? Cleaning can be as damaging as being contaminated. Current reflex cameras provide two levels of protection for the sensor...the mirror and the shutter. Even if designs are changed to close the mechanical shutter during lens changes, contamination om the front surface of the shutter can much more easily get onto the sensor than contamination on the front surface of the mirror.

This shift in technology is almost certain to happen eventually. As we have more experience, and as our new cameras become older cameras, we'll have to see if what we got was really what we wanted.

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Apr 23, 2019 09:34:33   #
CWGordon
 
Fuji has always impressed me with how non-user friendly and confusing their cameras were. I had no problem with Olympus micro-4/3, Panasonic, and Sony. Canon different, but easy. Fuji frustrated me for all, but the most simple of functions. I am sure there are many people who have been shooting Fuji for years and are happy. Maybe they would hate Nikon which became the most easy and most favorite for me. Every one is a little different in how they think. Maybe they are just a bit more smart than am I...

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Apr 23, 2019 09:39:47   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
CWGordon wrote:
Fuji has always impressed me with how non-user friendly and confusing their cameras were. I had no problem with Olympus micro-4/3, Panasonic, and Sony. Canon different, but easy. Fuji frustrated me for all, but the most simple of functions. I am sure there are many people who have been shooting Fuji for years and are happy. Maybe they would hate Nikon which became the most easy and most favorite for me. Every one is a little different in how they think. Maybe they are just a bit more smart than am I...
Fuji has always impressed me with how non-user fri... (show quote)


My first digital camera was a Fuji S3Pro, which I bought on sale. It captured beautiful images, but had multiple displays, non-intuitive controls, and on top of everything else, took what felt like half the morning to power up. My frustration moved me very quickly to a new D200.

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Apr 23, 2019 09:40:08   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Bill_de wrote:
Some interesting stats on the winning World Press Photo 2019 photographs - over 70% of the photos were shot with Nikon/Canon full-frame DSLR cameras while only 4.4% were taken with a mirrorless camera (only 2.6% were taken with a Sony camera):

Found on Nikon Rumors

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You know, I just wouldn't worry about crap like this.

Cameras are cameras. They're all similar (lens, aperture, shutter, light sensitive medium...), and they're all different in the ways they work.

New technologies come and go. Some stick around. Some fade away. Some disappear.

We still have AM and shortwave radio stations.

We still have a few daily newspapers printed on actual paper.

We still have vinyl LP recordings.

We still have buggy whips.

The dSLR will eventually fade to its appropriate level of market interest. If it fades far enough, the manufacturers will quit making them and only the used market will supply them.

Mirrorless cameras represent marketing excitement and higher margins of profitability. I have no doubt that they will, eventually, dominate the market for adjustable cameras used by professionals and high end amateurs. We can argue about when, but it's rather pointless.

Meanwhile, let's all go out and use what we have! It's more important to use a camera than it is to brag, worry, debate, or whine about it.

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Apr 23, 2019 09:49:42   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
Nikon and Canon still have New DSLRs on the horizon. Such as the Nikon D6 and D760. I believe Nikon and Canon will still make DSLRs for awhile. And totally give up DSLRs, just like Sony did. Sony, Panasonic, Fujifilm, and Olympus, will continue to improve their mirrorless technology. At least two manufactures, are making good, affordable mirrorless cameras. Sony and Fujifilm. Nikon is considering to eliminate the D600 series full frame DSLR cameras completely.

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Apr 23, 2019 09:55:19   #
Haydon
 
burkphoto wrote:
You know, I just wouldn't worry about crap like this.

Cameras are cameras. They're all similar (lens, aperture, shutter, light sensitive medium...), and they're all different in the ways they work.

New technologies come and go. Some stick around. Some fade away. Some disappear.

We still have AM and shortwave radio stations.

We still have a few daily newspapers printed on actual paper.

We still have vinyl LP recordings.

We still have buggy whips.

The dSLR will eventually fade to its appropriate level of market interest. If it fades far enough, the manufacturers will quit making them and only the used market will supply them.

Mirrorless cameras represent marketing excitement and higher margins of profitability. I have no doubt that they will, eventually, dominate the market for adjustable cameras used by professionals and high end amateurs. We can argue about when, but it's rather pointless.

Meanwhile, let's all go out and use what we have! It's more important to use a camera than it is to brag, worry, debate, or whine about it.
You know, I just wouldn't worry about crap like th... (show quote)


Burk....that's a great impartial posting. Thank you!

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Apr 23, 2019 09:57:46   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
larryepage wrote:
I am not opposed to a shift to mirrorless cameras. But after looking carefully at a Z7 a few months ago (holding it and "messing" with it), my conclusions were mixed. I am a person who uses camera controls extensively. The smaller form factor necessarily squeezed tome things close together that I would have wished to be further apart. Lots of folks here have already made mention that we've not yet seen a "professional" mirrorless camera. And I believe that is correct. As an engineer with some experience in these matters, my conclusion is that neither the Z7 nor the Z6 has the level of ruggedness or durability that most people who make their living with those tools would require, especially over time. Let's remember...two of the big advantages that everyone talks about when discussing mirrorless are less weight and reduced size. Those advantages are both going to have to be sacrificed to achieve durability and ruggedness. So I'm guessing that we likely won't see true "professional" mirrorless cameras until the consumer technology is firmly established and its reputation can withstand larger and heavier models. At least that is how I would suggest playing the game.

A bigger problem, regardless of comments that I have read here and other places, is the exposed sensor. This is very real for working photographers opening their cameras in difficult environments, like near erupting volcanoes. It's actually very real for all of us as time passes. Sensors are incredibly sensitive components. Have you stopped to think what it means to have 50 million semiconductor devices exposed to the environment? Cleaning can be as damaging as being contaminated. Current reflex cameras provide two levels of protection for the sensor...the mirror and the shutter. Even if designs are changed to close the mechanical shutter during lens changes, contamination om the front surface of the shutter can much more easily get onto the sensor than contamination on the front surface of the mirror.

This shift in technology is almost certain to happen eventually. As we have more experience, and as our new cameras become older cameras, we'll have to see if what we got was really what we wanted.
I am not opposed to a shift to mirrorless cameras.... (show quote)


Re: the small camera advantage. As someone with large hands. small cameras are a negative as I can't work the controls on a smaller camera. I use Canon for the ergonomics. They fit my hands better.

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Apr 23, 2019 10:11:42   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
burkphoto wrote:
You know, I just wouldn't worry about crap like this.

Cameras are cameras. They're all similar (lens, aperture, shutter, light sensitive medium...), and they're all different in the ways they work.

New technologies come and go. Some stick around. Some fade away. Some disappear.

We still have AM and shortwave radio stations.

We still have a few daily newspapers printed on actual paper.

We still have vinyl LP recordings.

We still have buggy whips.

The dSLR will eventually fade to its appropriate level of market interest. If it fades far enough, the manufacturers will quit making them and only the used market will supply them.

Mirrorless cameras represent marketing excitement and higher margins of profitability. I have no doubt that they will, eventually, dominate the market for adjustable cameras used by professionals and high end amateurs. We can argue about when, but it's rather pointless.

Meanwhile, let's all go out and use what we have! It's more important to use a camera than it is to brag, worry, debate, or whine about it.
You know, I just wouldn't worry about crap like th... (show quote)


I see that you can still buy buggy whips. 8" floppy disks are available on EBay but I doubt that there are any manufacturers producing them these days. Vinyl recordings, but not many wire or cylinder recordings. Inkwells?

I will consider buying a mirrorless camera when I see that it can do something my current cameras can't, if it's something that I want need to do. Haven't yet been moved to that point.

I must say that a larger fraction of my photos are being produced by my iPhone than in previous years, but it's easy to see the difference in the results. I still prefer my DSLR but I don't keep it in my shirt pocket. Convenience frequently dictates.

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Apr 23, 2019 10:21:31   #
BlackRipleyDog
 
Mirrorless fans have found a new technology to endlessly flog and they are happier than a puppy with two peters.

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