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Do you ever shoot in manual and forget to look at settings while adjusting for exposure?
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Apr 14, 2019 21:18:24   #
khorinek
 
PierreD wrote:
Set your camera to a maximum ISO value so that shots are never taken above this value. Then adjust shutter speed and f stop depending on the situation.


That's goo advice. I set my ISO to max. of 12,800 on both my 5D Mark IV and EOS RP. Both cameras will handle that high of ISO without much noise. Beyond 12,800 I start seeing noise.

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Apr 14, 2019 21:33:06   #
PierreD
 
ialvarez50 wrote:
The best thing you can do is to setup an ISO to no more than 400. Second use your lens fully open because indoor there is not much light. Third control your exposure by changing the shutter speed only. If the shutter is long (1-1/15) of a second, use some support. This way of shutting indoors is the best way. If you cannot get sharp photos, you need to practice a lot more.


Why ISO 400? Modern cameras can take pictures at significantly higher ISO with little noise - and whatever noise there is can generally eliminated during post-processing. Whenever possible I try to shoot a native ISO (for my camera, ISO 200) but don't give much thought to increasing it to ISO 1600 or so when necessary.

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Apr 14, 2019 21:37:26   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
rehess wrote:
So, does Nikon provide similar functionality?


Now you say it.

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Apr 14, 2019 21:39:03   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
khorinek wrote:
That's goo advice. I set my ISO to max. of 12,800 on both my 5D Mark IV and EOS RP. Both cameras will handle that high of ISO without much noise. Beyond 12,800 I start seeing noise.


Look closer.

Most modern cameras cannot use ISO 12.8k without significant noise.

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Apr 14, 2019 21:52:25   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
JD750 wrote:
Look closer.

Most modern cameras cannot use ISO 12.8k without significant noise.

That depends on how you define "significant noise".
Did you look at this one?
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-567974-7.html#9915302

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Apr 14, 2019 22:16:26   #
ialvarez50
 
rehess wrote:
Do you have any familiarity with the D500?? It is supposed to be good at high ISO values.

I used my Pentax K-30 as high as ISO=800; I use my Pentax KP as high as ISO=3200 without getting noticeable noise.
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-567974-7.html#9915302


No, I have always used Canon and yes, I am very familiar with photography. I have been teaching photography for 25 years. I know that some cameras have good software that helps with digital noise, I also know that I can use any digital camera in the world and use it at no more than 400 ISO and not get any digital noise at all. It is no diferent than using a film camera with a low ASA, but use a high ASA roll of film and the grain is way too much. Using Lightroom it is possible to eliminate all the color dot created by using high ISO in a camera, but it will not get rid of the grain left behind.

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Apr 14, 2019 22:27:56   #
khorinek
 
JD750 wrote:
Look closer.

Most modern cameras cannot use ISO 12.8k without significant noise.


65% of my photos are viewed on a cell phone, Tablet and/or laptop the rest are viewed on a desktop, according to my Analytics Data. You won't see much noise on a cell phone, tablet or laptop. You will see some noise on a large (22") older desktop monitor. Newer monitors won't show much noise on photos below 12,800 ISO.

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Apr 14, 2019 22:29:54   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
JD750 wrote:
Look closer.

Most modern cameras cannot use ISO 12.8k without significant noise.


This depends. If you use 12.8k and the exposure is still low, it's going to look noisy. If 12.8 gives you a good exposure, many cameras give you surprisingly little noise. Under exposure is a big part of the noise situation.
...Cam

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Apr 14, 2019 22:37:57   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
To all those who suggest that 12.5 k ISO is not noisy.

Every Photography Web-site, magazine, u-tube video, that reviews cameras, provides pictures at increasing ISO. Consult one of them for your camera and study the differences.

YES if it makes the difference between getting a shot and not getting a shot, then using High ISO makes sense. But don’t fool yourself into thinking it is not noisy and grainy.

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Apr 14, 2019 23:25:40   #
philo Loc: philo, ca
 
Noise is something that i don't worry about; because I view most of my images on the computer and when i print, 90% are 8 1/2 x 11. If I was printing all of my images 13x 19 or larger then it may be a concern.
Take any of your images with an iso over 800 and then zoom in to 100 % and i think you will start seeing noise.
If you want to get rid of all noise then use a tripod and shoot everything a 100 iso or below.

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Apr 14, 2019 23:44:22   #
ialvarez50
 
khorinek wrote:
65% of my photos are viewed on a cell phone, Tablet and/or laptop the rest are viewed on a desktop, according to my Analytics Data. You won't see much noise on a cell phone, tablet or laptop. You will see some noise on a large (22") older desktop monitor. Newer monitors won't show much noise on photos below 12,800 ISO.


I keep for getting that most people only see their images in a screen, and of course the smaller the screen the less noise you are going to see. One of the classes that I teach is darkroom and we print everything, including creating internegatives from digital files and then contact print them. You are right, forget about what I said.

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Apr 15, 2019 00:06:01   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
CamB wrote:
This depends. If you use 12.8k and the exposure is still low, it's going to look noisy. If 12.8 gives you a good exposure, many cameras give you surprisingly little noise. Under exposure is a big part of the noise situation.
...Cam


I took this shot last night. 12.8K This is straight out of the camera. No PP. It's got noise but it's not to bad and with some work in LR it could easily be a clean print at 13x19. (Not that I would bother because I don't like it that much.) Had it been under exposed the issue would be completely different. Don't worry about noise or big prints. It's the subject and if you can only get the shot at 12.8k, go for it.
...Cam


(Download)

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Apr 15, 2019 00:12:33   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
ialvarez50 wrote:
No, I have always used Canon and yes, I am very familiar with photography. .

If you haven't used a Nikon D500 or a Pentax KP, you are not aware of what those cameras can do.

Did you look at the photo I keep referencing??

If you look at it at 200% you will notice noise, but nothing at 100%.
If you printed it and stood a reasonable distance away, I doubt if you'd notice anything then either.
Perfection is great, but many of us cannot operate at that level.

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Apr 15, 2019 00:16:26   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
ialvarez50 wrote:
I keep for getting that most people only see their images in a screen, and of course the smaller the screen the less noise you are going to see. One of the classes that I teach is darkroom and we print everything, including creating internegatives from digital files and then contact print them. You are right, forget about what I said.


Remember pushing TRI-X to 1200 and the grain you got there? We've come a long way.
...Cam

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Apr 15, 2019 00:31:50   #
philo Loc: philo, ca
 
CamB wrote:
Remember pushing TRI-X to 1200 and the grain you got there? We've come a long way.
...Cam

Amen

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