dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Are you assuming I don't look at the numbers? What numbers can you provide to show America is not doing well economically?

Dennis

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

I'm talking about unemployment and economic statistics for each of the past ten years or so that will make your proclamations regarding trumps great successes little more than wishful thinking. Your fixation on your incorrect thoughts that I stated or implied the economy was not doing well are totally in left field. I don't have to provide any numbers, but rather you've got to look at them and see for yourself that your statements lack merit. Google is your friend...

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

It is the wishful get out of jail card for the righteous righties.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Is that a deflection? So is the economy doing well now or not? That is the real crux of this discussion. If it is doing poorly then say so. If it is doing well then admit it is doing well. I am not interested in the past 10 years. I am also not interested in the Left's projection of what could happen in the future. I am asking, is the economy doing well right now?

Dennis

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

Dennis,
The Stock Market is doing well which is not a measure of the economy. The good news is there's very low unemployment and many jobs are still available if you're willing to work for $9.00 an hour.

BigBear Loc: Northern CT

It isn't for him living in CT.
For every dollar that the Feds don't take from us, the liberal states take 2 more in the name of a balanced economy.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Frank you were on a good roll there for a minute and then you brought up the $9.00 an hour. Just not so my misguided friend.

But while we are on the subject let's take a look at the Left's demand for a $15.00 an hour wage. You can look it up yourself but my understanding is that that amount in some areas has caused businesses to drop numbers of employees and go to automated servers such as McDonalds has done. Why pay someone $15.00 an hour when a machine can do just as well? The demand by the Left for higher wages especially for starting out jobs that usually high schoolers and the elderly do for extra income has not worked well for those people. Those positions were never deemed as lifelong jobs, just a foot in the door for unsk**led labor workers.

Dennis

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Can you deny that wages for low income workers are rising at a rate not seen in decades? Can you say this is not true and can you deny that it is the natural progression of a growing economy and tightening labor markets?

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

Dennis, you're really cherry-picking here. Do you know that an Emergency Medical Technician gets paid $15.00 an hour but an ambulance ride cost you $1700.00?
Are you aware that a Security Guard, gets $12.00 an hour?
Are you aware a TSA Officer makes $16.00 an hour?
Are you aware that a Certified Nursing Assistant makes less than $13.00 an hour?
These aren't jobs for high-school kids or as you put it, the elderly looking for extra money. These are people supporting families. People who need to work at least 2 full-time jobs just to afford housing.
On the other end of the spectrum is a guy like Stephen Schwarzman, the CEO of B****stone who pulls down a salary of $560,000,000.00 a year. B****stone owns Hilton Corporation so when they were in trouble a few years ago, they laid off Housekeepers who typically got paid $9.50 an hour.
So don't tell me how good the economy is when you have someone making $389,000 an hour and you lay off the $9.50 an hour maid because your company is losing money.
Someday you guys are going to wake up and figure out that when you feel something trickling down from the wealthy, it's just another rich kid peeing on you.

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

Not raising near as fast as annual earnings from the top ten percent. You f**e Trump economists seem to forget who is really getting the raises. Takes the attention off of the rich.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

You are flat out wrong, BLS figures do not agree with this assertion of yours.

So, either you are not well informed or you are lying, I would assume the former.

Angmo

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DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

You appear to be having difficulty following our conversation, but that's quite normal for those who are drowning in their political fantasies. Besides, you know my feelings regarding Ct, yet you persist in playing the fool.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Frank I only mentioned one area of work. I just looked at your list and would have to tell you that the jobs you mentioned pay differently in other areas of the country. I suspect that in some areas those people are paid more than what you claim. Not doubting your word but am sure you are citing one area or perhaps an average for those jobs. Please don't expect us to believe that every security guard gets $12.00 per hour.


But that is the way capitalism has always worked. People at the top are paid more. I am not saying it is right but that is the way it is. When I was in the work force that was an incentive for me to get an education and prepare myself so I could earn that type of money. I never begrudged the person making that money. What is more correct is I wanted to earn that amount of money. For every security guard, ambulance driver, waitress, TSA officer and so on there are higher positions either in those jobs or in other jobs. If you like TSA and want to stay there then get a better education and work your way up that ladder to as high as you can go. Personally I could have gone higher in every job I had but it would have taken either more studying on promotional exams and/or more education. Others studied hard enough to get promoted, I am a good test taker but did not want to put in the time to go higher. Certainly I could have with just a bit more work on MY part. It was a personal choice on my part and is generally a personal choice on everyone's part. You want promotions and more money then you study harder, pick a job that leads to high wages or work harder to get noticed.

Location of the jobs is also a huge factor as well that you do not bring up. In my corrections job in Colorado I was a Lieutenant making about 50K a year. In California the starting pay is probably closer to 100K a year. But the standard of living in California is at least twice as much to live on. I was a happy camper and so was my family. I lived on 180 acres of land surrounded by bear, deer and mountain lion, a beautiful scenic mountain area with a 20 minute drive to work.

For those employees you cite that are laid off, do you really think if you were the man at the top, that you would have done differently? Would you have said, Hey wait a minute here. Let's drop my income to a million dollars a year and double/triple the income of every employee? I doubt it. Each employee has to make up their own mind as to what they want to do. If they are only making $9.00 an hour then they need to do something to make themselves more of an asset to their job. Really, should someone who cleans a room and makes a bed make 20.00 per hour? I don't think so. I have worked up to two part time jobs and gone to college as well. I am sure you have done similar.

Dennis