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Apr 10, 2019 19:35:25   #
CO
 
I took these photos just over one week ago. Are any good? Any bad? What do you think?


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Apr 10, 2019 19:38:42   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
Methinks you forgot to click “add photos.”

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Apr 10, 2019 19:40:52   #
CO
 
DeanS wrote:
Methinks you forgot to click “add photos.”


I'm working on it now.

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Apr 10, 2019 20:10:57   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
CO wrote:
I'm working on it now.


👍👍👍

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Apr 10, 2019 22:38:41   #
CO
 
DeanS wrote:
👍👍👍


Now I see what the symbols are. I didn't look closely

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Apr 10, 2019 22:42:19   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
I guess you don’t recognize the positive aspect of “thumbs up.”

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Apr 10, 2019 22:48:24   #
CO
 
DeanS wrote:
I guess you don’t recognize the positive aspect of “thumbs up.”


Sorry. Now that I look at them closely I can see what the symbols are.

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Apr 10, 2019 22:53:33   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
CO wrote:
Sorry. Now that I look at them closely I can see what the symbols are.


Follow the carpenter’s rule: “Measure twice, cut once.”

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Apr 11, 2019 06:06:23   #
ronz Loc: Florida
 
After 28 years in the business my conclusion is if I am happy with them and the bride pays me and sends me a referral, I am Golden. At some point you and your client are really the only ones that count. You know, the person that pays the bill. Yes we all want to get better but I still believe what I said is the bottom, bottom line.

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Apr 11, 2019 06:11:18   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
CO wrote:
I took these photos just over one week ago. Are any good? Any bad? What do you think?


While the exposure is even across the entire image it causes the background to be a distraction. Also the models skirt is very wrinkled a detail which can ruin a great image. I have been there myself, in the studio, I invested in a GOOD steamer and eliminated that problem. I suggest you study images produced by some great Fashion Photographers, one that come to mind is Richard Avedon.
I finally figured out I am not a fashion Photog. there are way to many details for one person to watch out for.

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Apr 11, 2019 06:14:22   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
ronz wrote:
After 28 years in the business my conclusion is if I am happy with them and the bride pays me and sends me a referral, I am Golden. At some point you and your client are really the only ones that count. You know, the person that pays the bill. Yes we all want to get better but I still believe what I said is the bottom, bottom line.


Hummmmm
I have noticed that people today are more worried about cost than quality.
That's all I have to say!!!

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Apr 11, 2019 10:26:07   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
ronz wrote:
After 28 years in the business my conclusion is if I am happy with them and the bride pays me and sends me a referral, I am Golden. At some point you and your client are really the only ones that count. You know, the person that pays the bill. Yes we all want to get better but I still believe what I said is the bottom, bottom line.


In this section we discuss the technical and aesthetic aspects of portraiture and related subjects- like in professional associations folks get together and work for improvement and quality in their work. Of course, customer satisfaction and gaining referral business is the goal of every successful professional photograher, exchanging ideas and among one's peers is important. Oftentimes, customers will be pleased with pictures that are perhaps below pro standards- it's up to the pros and advanced workers to keep up the good work.

If you expect a good bottom line, folks should expect a good product when the have to write the big check!

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Apr 11, 2019 10:54:05   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
While the exposure is even across the entire image it causes the background to be a distraction. Also the models skirt is very wrinkled a detail which can ruin a great image. I have been there myself, in the studio, I invested in a GOOD steamer and eliminated that problem. I suggest you study images produced by some great Fashion Photographers, one that come to mind is Richard Avedon.
I finally figured out I am not a fashion Photog. there are way to many details for one person to watch out for.
While the exposure is even across the entire image... (show quote)


One of the first things I learned about wedding photography was meticulous draping of the gown and attention to the veil and flowers if theses elements were included in the bride's attire. You have to understad how the designer created the lines of the dress and have it flow accordingly rather than yanking the back of the dress or train to the front of the gown. You certainly need to be a kind of fashion photograher.

I used to wreck all my suit pants by crawling around on my knees draping trains and skirts.

The dress in this image is made of a sort of crepe fabric which is intrinsically crisp, crimped and wrinkled. You would need a steam generator, like they use to clean automotive engines, to smooth that out and that would defeat the look of that material. I do agree that the dress shod have been draped more gracefully in some of the images.

If that is, indeed, a bridal gown, you gotta admit it is different and not exactly traditional . Nowadays bright red and black gowns are more commonplace than in the past but they do call attention to themselves. It's kinda difficult to find a backgroud that will balance that color out. A warm color might clash and a cold one would accentuate it. It might be best to keep the backgroud darker and softer.

If I woud be allowed to edit the image, I would inject some red in the sky so the only outstanding tone would be the subject's skin tone and that woud bring more attention to her face.

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Apr 11, 2019 13:58:15   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
One of the first things I learned about wedding photography was meticulous draping of the gown and attention to the veil and flowers if theses elements were included in the bride's attire. You have to understad how the designer created the lines of the dress and have it flow accordingly rather than yanking the back of the dress or train to the front of the gown. You certainly need to be a kind of fashion photograher.

I used to wreck all my suit pants by crawling around on my knees draping trains and skirts.

The dress in this image is made of a sort of crepe fabric which is intrinsically crisp, crimped and wrinkled. You would need a steam generator, like they use to clean automotive engines, to smooth that out and that would defeat the look of that material. I do agree that the dress shod have been draped more gracefully in some of the images.

If that is, indeed, a bridal gown, you gotta admit it is different and not exactly traditional . Nowadays bright red and black gowns are more commonplace than in the past but they do call attention to themselves. It's kinda difficult to find a backgroud that will balance that color out. A warm color might clash and a cold one would accentuate it. It might be best to keep the backgroud darker and softer.

If I woud be allowed to edit the image, I would inject some red in the sky so the only outstanding tone would be the subject's skin tone and that woud bring more attention to her face.
One of the first things I learned about wedding ph... (show quote)


I'M sorry but the dress/skirt looks like parachute cloth to me and should not be wrinkled. Either way more attention is needed in all aspects of the image. The photographer should have someone with a good sense of fashion as an assistant.

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Apr 11, 2019 18:28:42   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
I agree that, in some of these images, the gown could have been draped more carefully. Even if a fashion consultant was on set, they couldn't change the texture of the cloth- it is what it is and no amount of pressing or steaming would change that.

I always consult, in advance of any shoot, with my clients as to clothing issues. Hopefully, they come in with everything pressed, neat and tidy. If there are issues, at my studio, I have steamers, irons, pants creasers, and sewing gear on hand. I also have a kit in my car for location work.

At a wedding, however, there is little we can do except some emergency repairs and working around the problem. I have been draping trains and skirts for over 50 years and paying attention to every detail. I have repaired stuff with a needle and thread, tucked in shirts, boosted up sagging pants, repaired broken flower stems in bouquets, re-tied necktie knots, and pinned on boutineers and corsages properly and even helped revive a few fainting brides...and grooms- comes with the territory.

I always work (weddings) with at least 2 assistants and, true enough, another set of eyes is always a good thing when it comes to details, however, at the end of the day, the photographer is responsible for everything in the image. I am no Richard Avadon, but I made it my business to consult with dress designers, learn about wedding attire and in my commercial business (my day job) I do some fashion photography.

One of my specialties is 30x40 and 40x60 formal bridal portraits- I have 2 hanging in my office! Ain't gonna sell too many of those with sloppy posing or draping.

Funny you mention "parachute cloth"- I spent 3 years in an Airborne Division- The spec. T-10 parachute cloth was a heck of a lot smoother than that dress! When it comes to looking after clothing detail, my lovely wife is worse than my strictest drill instructor- believe me, I am well trained!





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