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Apr 5, 2019 16:46:07   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
jdedmonds wrote:
This post is symptomatic of the current ethos in America. Have you ever changed somebody's mind by calling them a name?


Not really a problem as he has no credibility to begin with.

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Apr 5, 2019 18:14:13   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
sbohne wrote:
What money do you think we're spending? Are you one of the Limbaugh/Hannity/Faux News disciples that think they get welfare, free food, free housing? Sorry, they get free nothing, unless they are sponsored by a charity, such as Catholic Charities. In fact, just ONE i*****l a***n paid more taxes in 2017 than the #LiarInChief did. And no Veteran needs to be homeless: the VA has programs for all of these vets. I will not watch this topic, so you can all flame away to your heart's content. I have just had it up to here and past with people who do not know what they are talking about.
What money do you think we're spending? Are you on... (show quote)


AREYOU SERIOUS...OR JUST IGNORANT???

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Apr 5, 2019 18:47:18   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
jdedmonds wrote:
This forum isn't for politics.


How funny you say that. The top of my page says, The Attic, which is the part of the UHH forum for politics.

Dennis

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Apr 5, 2019 18:52:32   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
The VA has programs to help vets but they, the vets, have to want to be helped. No one who has served their country should have to live on the streets, but it's a choice and if they choose not to be helped, it's on them.
You can lead a water to horse but you drink can't it make.


You can't be any more full of s**t than your post shows. Sure the VA has programs but it does not have housing for all of the vets that might need it. You flaming Liberals are all for helping out i*****l a***ns with food, housing, medical expenses, free education, attorneys to fight their deportation all at taxpayer cost but to my knowledge the VA does not provide housing and food. There are veterans who are homeless. Where do you think they live? Give us the name of a housing authority where veterans around America can go for shelter and food. I am sure we all want to know.

Just curious, are you a veteran, served in combat?

Dennis

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Apr 5, 2019 19:48:23   #
sgt hop Loc: baltimore md,now in salisbury md
 
jdedmonds wrote:
This forum isn't for politics.


the attic is for about anything....

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Apr 5, 2019 19:56:01   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
sgt hop wrote:
the attic is for about anything....


The genius OP started it in Chit-Chat and it got moved.

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Apr 5, 2019 20:47:10   #
mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area
 
scooter1 wrote:
Not sure which comic book you get your faux facts but you should burn it and maybe keep your politics where they belong. Elsewhere


Back up your words or STFU.

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Apr 5, 2019 20:48:58   #
mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area
 
Huey Driver wrote:
And exactly who do you think is paying the tab while all this is going on. The American Tax Payer that's who.
Maybe we should set up a GO Fund ME account so that all you do gooders that want to keep open borders could pay the expenses now incurred by me and other taxpayers who are tired of this.


Again, why are you lying about open borders. I am tired of hearing the same falsehoods.

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Apr 5, 2019 20:53:51   #
mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area
 
yhtomit wrote:
They show up at the border and they get...free food, medical care, housing, welfare, t***sportation to a city
where they receive housing, medical care, schools for their children...
You as a matter of fact do not know what your talking about.


Yes, there are charities that contribute to immigrants. They only get food, shelter and medical care from the. Government because the government purposely has slowed the process down. If you do not understand this, read a book, it is not my job to cure your ignorance.

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Apr 5, 2019 20:57:32   #
mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area
 
btbg wrote:
You are absolutely incorrect. Millions of dollars are spent annually on i******s. Example undocumented children get free education in our public school system. Are you trying to say that doesn't cost taxpayers money. Second example, although an illegal can not get food stamps or welfare for themselves they can get it for their children. Do you honestly thing that a person receiving foot stamps says OK, this money is all for my children's food, so I won't eat any of it. Of course not. They are receiving food stamps and they are eating off of the assistance they receive.

Once again, that is tax payer money. There are many other areas where they are costing tax payers as well.

As far as taxes. How do you think that an illegal is paying taxes? In order for an illegal to be paid it either has to be under the table, in which case there are no taxes taken out, or it has to be with a false identity, in which case there is identity theft, since the social security number they are using has to belong to someone. That means that either 1) they aren't paying taxes other than sales tax, or 2) the tax liability actually belongs to whoever's identity they have stolen. Either way that is a problem.
You are absolutely incorrect. Millions of dollars ... (show quote)


Then you are in favor of jailing anyone who knowledge hires an i*****l i*******t.

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Apr 5, 2019 21:07:47   #
mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area
 
dennis2146 wrote:
You can't be any more full of s**t than your post shows. Sure the VA has programs but it does not have housing for all of the vets that might need it. You flaming Liberals are all for helping out i*****l a***ns with food, housing, medical expenses, free education, attorneys to fight their deportation all at taxpayer cost but to my knowledge the VA does not provide housing and food. There are veterans who are homeless. Where do you think they live? Give us the name of a housing authority where veterans around America can go for shelter and food. I am sure we all want to know.

Just curious, are you a veteran, served in combat?

Dennis
You can't be any more full of s**t than your post ... (show quote)


As usual there is little t***h in your statements. How do you get such basic facts wrong, almost like you do it on purpose.
Through public housing authorities, HUD provides rental assistance vouchers for privately owned housing to Veterans who are eligible for VA health care services and are experiencing homelessness. VA case managers may connect these Veterans with support services such as health care, mental health treatment and substance use counseling to help them in their recovery process and with maintaining housing in the community. Among VA homeless continuum of care programs, HUD-VASH enrolls the largest number and largest percentage of Veterans who have experienced long-term or repeated homelessness.

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Apr 5, 2019 23:38:01   #
btbg
 
Keen wrote:
There is a difference between i******s, and genuine asylum seeking refugees. US law REQUIRES that those claiming to be refugees be allowed into the country, and given a hearing before an Immigration Judge, before being allowed to stay, or being deported. Even Presidents have to obey the law. If you want to get political, you should study a bit of law....since politics always grows out of, or into, law one way, or another.


You are right. The problem is that the people flooding the system right now aren't necessarily legitimate asylum seekers.

Someone has coached i******s to claim asylum as soon as they reach the border. The end result has been that they are currently overwhelming the system.

Do you really want to have the same problem that much of Europe is currently experiencing with the refugee crisis that they have. That is the direction that we are rapidly heading. It is unsustainable.

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Apr 5, 2019 23:45:34   #
btbg
 
Keen wrote:
If by "do gooders" you mean "law abiders", yeah. I am one, and proud to be so. It does not matter if the borders are open, or closed. When refugees arrive, they get in. If you don't like it, elect some folks who are willing to work for real solutions, rather than clowns who pretend to be working while just keeping the problem alive to be used to draw morons to the polls in future e******ns. Walls will not work, and never have. People who want in will: dig under, climb over, and break through walls. Study history. Walls did NOT save: Uruk, Constantinople, Rome, Jericho, Jerusalem, etc. Walls, with alarms, did not save Sharon Tate. China has a wall bigger, thicker, better manned, and better armed, than any Trump could ever hope to build....and it did not work. China was invaded 15 times AFTER building The Great Wall.

If you want to stop i******s, the way to do it is to stop what attracts them. K**l the jobs they get once here. Severely punish all who hire i******s. Take away their rights to: v**e, support political campaigns, hold office, get government contracts, or serve in the military. Take away their: bank accounts, homes, vehicles, stocks, bonds, metals, businesses, etc. Fine them $10 million for every illegal they employ. Put them in prison for 10 years for every illegal they employ....no early outs for any reason, all sentences to be served consecutively. Make them work at hard labor while in prison. Strictly enforce this all. Soon, no one will hire i******s, so i******s will not come here.

Of course this will never happen, because the same GOP politicians who would have to v**e to pass such a law are the main employers of i******s. Trump, himself, has hired i******s almost exclusively for decades. Bob Dole hired i******s. Ted Cruz hires i******s. GOP members of Congress will never v**e to cut off their supply of cheap labor, and so force themselves to pay regular wages to hire nannies, gardeners, farm workers, etc. The people you support-GOP Jerks-TALK against i******s, but fail to ACT against them. For the first two years of Trump's administration, the GOP controlled ALL of the government....The House, The Senate, The Presidency, and The Supreme Court. They COULD have passed an i*****l a***n employer crushing bill, and so ended the problem of i******s....BUT DID NOT EVEN TRY TO. Had they done so, the problem would have been cured, and they could not have used the i*****l a***n scare to get v**es, and donations, from i***ts such as yourself. They will never solve the problem, because they do not want to.

Spend $80 million, or more, to build a wall. I******s will get through it, and continue to be here, and the GOP will continue to con suckers like you out of money, and v**es. Walls never have worked, and never will work. I******s tunneled under part of the wall that does exist in AZ, and tunneled right into the HQ of the Border Patrol, and surrendered and claimed Refugee status. That happened in broad daylight, on one of the most protected parts of the border, with a wall. The wall did not work there. HOW The F will a wall in the middle
of nowhere, patrolled most of the time by no one, going to work any better? It won't. Trump's wall is like Nixon's secret plan to get us out of Viet Nam with honor, and victory. His lies about such got him elected.
Then he expanded the Viet Nam conflict to: Cambodia, Laos, and Thailand. When he finally pulled us out, it was in a shameful loss.

If you can't resist the urge to politicize a non political site, like this, at least get your facts straight, and make some sensible proposals.
If by "do gooders" you mean "law ab... (show quote)



I agree with most of what you are saying here. There is no doubt that politicians do not have the political will to fix the problem. You are also right that if you prevent i******s from being able to make money get housing, etc... you take away the incentive to get here. I do disagree about a couple of points. First that they are all legitimate asylum seekers, and second that walls don't work. The wall in Constantinople was eventually breached, but it stood for nearly 1,000 years first.

According to those working in border patrol the number of i******s entering where we have fencing is lower than in other places. Most of the current fence is only 15 feet high, while the proposed wall is 30 feet and also goes deeper into the ground. Yes, there will probably be breeches, but with the proper use of technology it should be easy to catch that before it becomes a crisis.

In March the data says that border patrol caught 100,000 who entered illegally. How many more do you think that there were that were not caught.

Even if a wall just funnels the i******s to smaller areas that will make it easier to catch them and will eliminate part of the problem. It doesn't have to be 100 percent impervious. It just has to slow the problem down to a manageable level.

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Apr 5, 2019 23:48:19   #
btbg
 
mjmoore17 wrote:
Then you are in favor of jailing anyone who knowledge hires an i*****l i*******t.


Absolutely.

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Apr 5, 2019 23:59:37   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
mjmoore17 wrote:
As usual there is little t***h in your statements. How do you get such basic facts wrong, almost like you do it on purpose.
Through public housing authorities, HUD provides rental assistance vouchers for privately owned housing to Veterans who are eligible for VA health care services and are experiencing homelessness. VA case managers may connect these Veterans with support services such as health care, mental health treatment and substance use counseling to help them in their recovery process and with maintaining housing in the community. Among VA homeless continuum of care programs, HUD-VASH enrolls the largest number and largest percentage of Veterans who have experienced long-term or repeated homelessness.
As usual there is little t***h in your statements.... (show quote)


Thank you for the positive response. My point was simply about choices. People can choose to either get help or not. If one chooses not to seek help then that's their choice and it's on them. As I stated, no veteran should live on the streets in a box, they deserve much better than that. But the government can't afford to have dedicated staff looking for these people.

I know many of these people experienced life altering situations when they were in Vietnam. My brother told me many stories about his experiences while retrieving wounded soldiers from the war zones. He spoke many times about getting back to the ship with a whole lot more holes in the helicopter than it had when they left. My brother had numerous frightening experiences being shot at on the ground and in the air and he didn't even carry a rifle.

After his experiences in Vietnam he decided to make a career of the Navy and served a total of 25 years. He even married and had a child while in the Navy. He had good times and tough times and bad times and he never turned to the bottle or blamed anything bad in his life on his experiences in the military and he was no better than anyone else who enlisted in the Navy the day after he graduated high school.

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