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Mar 13, 2019 13:47:24   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The T7i provides an autofocus array of 45-points, a 24MP sensor, 6 frames per second continuous shooting, and a single, center AF point sensitive to f/8. The ability to autofocus at f/8 was limited to only 1-Series DSLRs are recently as the release of the EOS 1DX, Canon's flagship DSLR released in 2012. It would seem the T7i is clearly a professional-capable camera.


DPReview's review of this camera....

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-rebel-t7i-800d

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Mar 13, 2019 14:02:06   #
LittleBit Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
"feature set?"

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Mar 13, 2019 14:08:44   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
LITTLEBIT wrote:
"feature set?"


In my experience, professional level cameras may offer some capabilities not available on consumer level cameras. But the biggest difference is in the range of control options that are directly accessible without having to work your way through the menus. When I expanded to full frame, my first try was with a D610. But the smaller form factor, coupled with what to me was a very awkward user interface that required working through the menus to change almost anything beyond aperture and shutter speed, caused that experience to last only about three days before I swapped it for a D810.

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Mar 13, 2019 14:27:18   #
Jack729 Loc: United States, planet earth, milky way galaxy
 
Welcome to the forums - I joined yesterday 😏.
I prefer Nikon - just feels right in my hands.

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Mar 13, 2019 14:32:04   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
kdksmile wrote:
Greetings fellow forum members. I am new to the group but may I thank you in advance for your replies surrounding the topic of which prosumer grade camera to purchase... I am vacillating back and forth between the Nikon 5600D and the Canon T7i... both are similar in terms of features but curious if any forum members have a compelling reason to choose one over the other. Thanks!


Given the two choices, I would choose the Nikon 5600D. My impression is all cameras being made today have high quality because the camera has become a "niche" market due to cellphones. A "bad" camera is not going to sell. My impression for these two cameras is that the T7i is more prosumer than the 5600D. The difference I do not feel is much.

Also, if you want to consider a weatherproof option in basically the same price range, consider the Olympus E-M5 mkII. It is a 4/3rds camera, weatherproof with one of the weatherproof Olympus or Panasonic lenses, and the system will be smaller, lighter, and less costly than either a similar Canon or Nikon system.

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Mar 13, 2019 14:38:28   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
wdross wrote:
Given the two choices, I would choose the Nikon 5600D. My impression is all cameras being made today have high quality because the camera has become a "niche" market due to cellphones. A "bad" camera is not going to sell. My impression for these two cameras is that the T7i is more prosumer than the 5600D. The difference I do not feel is much.

Also, if you want to consider a weatherproof option in basically the same price range, consider the Olympus E-M5 mkII. It is a 4/3rds camera, weatherproof with one of the weatherproof Olympus or Panasonic lenses, and the system will be smaller, lighter, and less costly than either a similar Canon or Nikon system.
Given the two choices, I would choose the Nikon 56... (show quote)


And have a smaller sensor with fewer pixels...I have two Olympus digital slr's.

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Mar 13, 2019 15:04:52   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Yes, both are actually entry-level cameras, not prosumer level.


While they are not prosumer bodies, they are a step about entry level. A lot a people seem to believe the prosumer moniker is just about the sensor and feature set. That's not the case. Prosumer bodies have a more robust build, higher rated shutter actuations, many pro settings and features the average photographer would never use, a larger and brighter 100% viewfinder, better weather sealing, often a joystick, additional viewfinder features, often two card slots, as well as other features. It's a short step up from prosumer to pro gear. Many seem to think cameras like the Canon 80D are prosumer but they are not. The 4 & 1/2 year old Canon 7D Mark II is still a prosumer body even though the newer Canon 80D, which is not prosumer, bests it in a few
important categories.

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Mar 13, 2019 15:10:54   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
And have a smaller sensor with fewer pixels...I have two Olympus digital slr's.


True to some degree. Accounting for the most common print sizes, the pixel count ends up similar but less than the Canon EOS-1DX. With the Olympus E-M1 mkII, the pixel count is very similar to the EOS-1DX for common print sizes. But then the cost goes up to ~$1700 new with a lens. The real difference comes in pixel size. From a noise point of view, noise differences develop at about ISO 6400 and continue to about a two stop difference in noise at higher ISOs. I don't know about the OP and most others, but most of my shooting occurs below ISO 6400 and is not much of a factor for me in camera selection.

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Mar 13, 2019 15:15:28   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
The feature set is what manufacturers use to determine who the cameras are marketed to, not the proficiency of a photographer. Many top shooters can use even a box camera to get excellent images...



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Mar 13, 2019 17:28:43   #
kdksmile Loc: Utah
 
I appreciate the replies folks. Your suggestions are noted and although I have owned both the 70D and similar quality Nikons previously, I honestly cannot discern a significant difference. I know the Nikon will fire 5 fps vs. 6 fps on the Cannon and a few other small differences, just curious if there were some significant features I might need to know from a practical user's perspective rather than an online spec sheet or 'consumer review.' Thanks everyone!

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Mar 13, 2019 17:31:45   #
kdksmile Loc: Utah
 
Thanks ever so kindly!

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Mar 13, 2019 17:47:05   #
User ID
 
wdross wrote:
True to some degree. Accounting for the most common print sizes, the pixel count ends up similar but less than the Canon EOS-1DX. With the Olympus E-M1 mkII, the pixel count is very similar to the EOS-1DX for common print sizes. But then the cost goes up to ~$1700 new with a lens. The real difference comes in pixel size. From a noise point of view, noise differences develop at about ISO 6400 and continue to about a two stop difference in noise at higher ISOs. I don't know about the OP and most others, but most of my shooting occurs below ISO 6400 and is not much of a factor for me in camera selection.
True to some degree. Accounting for the most commo... (show quote)


Very much agree, and especially that 6400 is about
where the tide turns noise-wise.

As someone who DOES row against the tide rather
often, I choose NOT to spend extra $$$ and carry
extra weight to reduce noise. Noise WILL be there,
reduced or not. So I DO let noise influence camera
choice. I avoid cameras with uglee noise in favor of
cameras with "more aesthetic" noise. This is about
the quality of noise, NOT the quantity, and it turns
out that for QUALITY, format size has no influence.

I've got a "big" camera that makes less noise than
some of my smaller cameras. But it's a really uglee
noise so no amount of noise is acceptable from this
camera. I do have an older smaller camera that is
even worse ! But I also have a particular m4/3 that
never makes uglee noise, even tho its noise level is
not especially low.

For those concerned about dealing with noise rather
than trying to banish it, usually those who MUST do
high ISO work, noise becomes a very tricky part of
choosing a camera. Reviewers and lab testers never
address the quality of noise. You absolutely MUST
use the cameras to see for yourself what their high
ISO looks like. How it measures quantitatively tells
you nothing about how it looks. It's a tedious job :-(

.

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Mar 14, 2019 05:17:24   #
newcamman
 
One feature of the Nikon that Canon does not have is the nef processor which allows you to touch up your photos inside the camera before you load them to the computer. Well some prefer to Simply use Photoshop, I prefer to do both. Believe me it really makes a difference and I only have a Nikon D 3100.

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Mar 14, 2019 06:34:37   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
kdksmile wrote:
Greetings fellow forum members. I am new to the group but may I thank you in advance for your replies surrounding the topic of which prosumer grade camera to purchase... I am vacillating back and forth between the Nikon 5600D and the Canon T7i... both are similar in terms of features but curious if any forum members have a compelling reason to choose one over the other. Thanks!


Nikon has an offer currently on the D5600. Not bad at all, the 75-300 takes exceptional shots for the price.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1308913-REG/nikon_d5600_dslr_camera_with.html

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Mar 14, 2019 06:39:13   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
kdksmile wrote:
Greetings fellow forum members. I am new to the group but may I thank you in advance for your replies surrounding the topic of which prosumer grade camera to purchase... I am vacillating back and forth between the Nikon 5600D and the Canon T7i... both are similar in terms of features but curious if any forum members have a compelling reason to choose one over the other. Thanks!


I have never seen or heard of the word; "prosumer" Is this an attempt to elevate the consumer to a greater, than, status?

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