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Mar 1, 2019 11:40:29   #
DIRTY HARRY
 
Not my photo but...
similar of shots of Asian girl in Native American outfit. liked the photo and submit it few ideas in posing with props.


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Mar 1, 2019 14:33:41   #
JohnFrim (a regular here)
 
That is a great photo.

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Mar 1, 2019 15:24:18   #
buckwheat
 
I'm really torn between the aesthetics of using a head dress as a prop, and the "appropriation" of something that has spiritual meaning for a different culture. Except for four years in the service, I have lived my entire life in the southwest. I had two models who met with my wife and me to discuss costumes. One girl was a very dark Anglo with black hair, and the other was half Apache. We settled on leather vest and loin cloth, with turquoise accessories but drew the line at anything specifically tribal or religious. I have seen some striking photos with the head dress on non-Indians, but have always had an uncomfortable feeling about it. It's not unlike the sensation I felt after returning from Southeast Asia, seeing people who obviously had not served wearing uniform parts with full insignia. This is way different than the girl with the prom dress, (or the model in a loin cloth).
It's still a great photo, though.

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Mar 1, 2019 16:30:05   #
JohnFrim (a regular here)
 
I am actually not convinced that the young lady IS Asian. Harry, are you positive she is?

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Mar 1, 2019 16:47:44   #
DIRTY HARRY
 
There was a series of photo posted in this group within the last week that were of an Asian girl ib some native American attire. I posed this to show a different , I thought, very nice pose for people to consider. The head dress issue is well above my pay grade and I'm sure NO DISRESPECT was intended.

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Mar 1, 2019 16:57:40   #
DIRTY HARRY
 
Check out "Desert Grace" from earlier this week.

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Mar 1, 2019 18:14:32   #
JohnFrim (a regular here)
 
Yes, Harry, I saw those, and that model was definitely Asian. It sounded to me like you were saying the girl in your posted photo was Asian, but maybe you were referring to the Desert Grace thread.

Your posted photo looks like a shot of a lovely Indian maiden who may have every right to wear the headdress.

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Mar 1, 2019 20:31:44   #
kf4dec
 
while I concur that this is an outstanding photograph I do question the nationality of the model. In any case she is very lovely.

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Mar 2, 2019 08:32:05   #
jaymatt (a regular here)
 
That is a nice one!

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Mar 2, 2019 10:40:35   #
JD750 (a regular here)
 
JohnFrim wrote:
I am actually not convinced that the young lady IS Asian. Harry, are you positive she is?


She looks Asian to me.

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Mar 2, 2019 13:19:20   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter (a regular here)
 
Unspeakably gorgeous.

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Mar 2, 2019 13:53:32   #
Naptown Gaijin
 
DIRTY HARRY wrote:
Not my photo but...
similar of shots of Asian girl in Native American outfit. liked the photo and submit it few ideas in posing with props.


The model and the headdress are both beautiful. I don't give a damn whether the model is Apache or Sioux or Jewish...she is beautiful. She complements the headdress (which looks authentic to me) and vice versa.

We need to be less concerned about offending the snowflakes and more concerned about freedom of expression. The photographer should be especially concerned about this.

Now I'll stop my rant.
It's a great photo, Harry.... to heck with the uber PC wackos put there.

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Mar 2, 2019 15:45:21   #
davefales (a regular here)
 
Great photo. Regarding ethnicity: when we were in Lhasa, Tibet I realized that a lot of the Tibetans looked like they could be Navajo or some other US southwestern group. Turns out that DNA testing has discovered that our Natives are likely derived from western Asia. It's not a stretch to conclude one group migrated to Tibet and another came all the way to America.

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Mar 2, 2019 16:38:35   #
buckwheat
 
Naptown Gaijin wrote:
The model and the headdress are both beautiful. I don't give a damn whether the model is Apache or Sioux or Jewish...she is beautiful. She complements the headdress (which looks authentic to me) and vice versa.

We need to be less concerned about offending the snowflakes and more concerned about freedom of expression. The photographer should be especially concerned about this.

Now I'll stop my rant.
It's a great photo, Harry.... to heck with the uber PC wackos put there.


I'm sorry if my post came off as a rant. I am probably one of the least PC people here. My sensitivity probably comes from my wife, who was previously married to a Mescalaro Apache, and living in Arizona for about 60 years. Over the years of casually studying Native history, I can easily see her points.

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Mar 3, 2019 09:25:59   #
InfiniteISO
 
buckwheat wrote:
I'm really torn between the aesthetics of using a head dress as a prop, and the "appropriation" of something that has spiritual meaning for a different culture. Except for four years in the service, I have lived my entire life in the southwest. I had two models who met with my wife and me to discuss costumes. One girl was a very dark Anglo with black hair, and the other was half Apache. We settled on leather vest and loin cloth, with turquoise accessories but drew the line at anything specifically tribal or religious. I have seen some striking photos with the head dress on non-Indians, but have always had an uncomfortable feeling about it. It's not unlike the sensation I felt after returning from Southeast Asia, seeing people who obviously had not served wearing uniform parts with full insignia. This is way different than the girl with the prom dress, (or the model in a loin cloth).
It's still a great photo, though.
I'm really torn between the aesthetics of using a ... (show quote)



Very nice image.

Cultural appropriation is always a touchy subject made even more difficult because there is a sliding scale of outrage within all of these communities whether they be Native American, Pacific Islander, etc. Some members love the recognition and forgive misappropriation and others stay perpetually offended. Some of this cultural push-back is recent. I lived in both Texas and Colorado as a youngster and we traveled all over the American west on vacations. Back in the 60s, you could by all kinds of Native American headdresses and garments in shops on tribal land, stuff that wasn't made in China. Obviously to some tribes back then having Anglos wear their stuff wasn't a big deal.

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