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Feb 26, 2019 19:45:13   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
TriX wrote:
Absolutely zero argument that a good photographer can produce excellent photos with a range of equipment from a cellphone to large format, as long as the equipment is suitable for the application (which is key). There’s a reason that pro sports photographers aren’t shooting basketball games with cellphones. Would you agree with that and that you need the appropriate tool for the job at hand?


Yes I agree. That’s why I said that cellphones have their niche. The task is always to get a good photo with the equipment at hand. I just get a bit irritated with those who seem to think that the cameras in cellphones can’t produce decent photos. They have their place. Our photo club had a speaker who was a pro and she had switched to her cellphone exclusively for her work, just to see if it was a viable approach. She produced custome greeting cards and her images were impressive. As with all hardware, you have to know it’s limits and work within that.

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Feb 26, 2019 19:51:26   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
traderjohn wrote:
Wow, that is really lame.


Is that all you’ve got? an ambiguous slur without any backup?

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Feb 26, 2019 19:57:59   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
traderjohn wrote:
Sounds a little boarish and pompous.


What’s your deal? You seem to pop in here to just make impertinent negative comments about others posts without offering any kind of ideas or insights of your own. I guess you must not have any.

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Feb 26, 2019 20:17:02   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
gvarner wrote:
And either camera can produce a great photo or a lousy photo, depending on the user's knowledge, skills, and ability. Each device has its niche. Polaroid cameras were, for the most part, scoffed at as a gimmick but there was a pro who used them exclusively in portraiture mainly for the unique velvety quality of the print. A few on this forum have printed acceptable cellphone photos up to 16x20, acceptable in their view anyway. Burke Photo is one of them and I don’t consider him to be lacking in artistic appreciation.
And either camera can produce a great photo or a l... (show quote)


Yes, I have friends that are accomplished professional photographers and when they’re not working the almost exclusively use their cellphones to shoot. Director Steven Soderbergh shot an entire feature film on an iPhone. And the technology will continue to improve. I use the camera on my phone quite often, mostly just for snapshots, but occasionally for an image I really want to capture. But for the foreseeable future I’ll continue to use my Nikons and my Lumix MFT and Fuji superzoom Bridge because they are tools that enable me to do things that the cellphone cameras still can’t do.

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Feb 26, 2019 20:24:24   #
Shooter313
 
I am just a old guy that's been shooting since I got my very first camera at the ripe old age of 5. Over the last 55+ years I have seen changes I would never have dreamed possible, even 25 years ago.
I am certain that cell phone formats will one day replace what we Now consider to be the best DSLRs. Just as They have replaced our best top end film cameras from just over two decades ago.
I can't even remember how many dyed in the wool collage "film" kids would ask me "what do you have against film?" Very hostile as well..to begin with that is. When I explained to them that I had used film longer than they had been alive, and breathed in enough darkroom chemicals to last me five lifetimes, they often mellowed out.
When I would point out that the equipment they were using then had the same stigma as digital did to them now..they began to listen even more.
By the end of the art show I had around 12 or 15 new "students" that wanted to learn all they could about digital photography.
They were just uninformed, and closed minded was all. In the end Most of them could see the wonders of BOTH film and digital formats.
I believe the same will happen again, if it's cell phones, or all in one kind of digital cameras that no longer need our long lenses and lights. It IS just a matter of time. I doubt I will be around to see it, but if I am, you can bet I will be out there with those kids seeing just what they can do. I hope to see most of you folks out there as well.

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Feb 26, 2019 20:32:41   #
n3eg Loc: West coast USA
 
gvarner wrote:
Dear DSLR owners: Do not fear the cameras in cellphones.

I'm a mirrorless owner, and I'm not afraid of either.

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Feb 26, 2019 22:11:49   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Besides from the obvious drawbacks of the cellphone vs the DSLR the biggest problem for me with the cellphone is that it's too damn difficult to use.


Easy to take photos, but all the rest of it... nightmare. >Alan

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Feb 26, 2019 23:44:51   #
markjay
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Besides from the obvious drawbacks of the cellphone vs the DSLR the biggest problem for me with the cellphone is that it's too damn difficult to use.


Yes - I guess that a cellphone is more difficult than a DSLR.

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Feb 26, 2019 23:51:46   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
wingclui44 wrote:
How don't really care how much a cell phone can do, camera is a camera that is for photography, not for anything else, like doing phone call; banking ; remote controlling everything;monitoring home security system; getting news; spying on some one ....etc. Yes, it's a power device as a pocket computer. That's driving every body crazy, not me. Camera is strictly for photography period!


You sound very close minded. Too bad.

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Feb 26, 2019 23:56:47   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
aellman wrote:
Easy to take photos, but all the rest of it... nightmare. >Alan


What brands of smartphones have you tried? If my 80-year-old mother-in-law can use an iPhone and an iPad, despite never having used a computer, almost anyone can learn.

Click, drag, tap, double tap, pinch, spread, swipe... the touchscreen is gesture based. Then there’s Siri... just say, “Hey, Siri, find me the best [cuisine you like] within 30 miles,” and Siri searches Yelp.com for reviews. Like one? Tap “Get Directions”, and the Maps app gives you turn-by-turn verbal instructions to get there.

It takes a little time and patience, but if you use it consciously all you can, you catch on quickly!

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Feb 27, 2019 00:00:30   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
TriX wrote:
you can have max performance or small size low weight, but not both


Neither example guarantees a great photo.

I can’t understand how so many of you old timers still believe this nonsense.

What needs to happen for you guys to realize that a cell phone in the hands of a skillful photographer is going to be superior to the best in the hands of a snapshot shooter?

https://petapixel.com/2019/02/26/here-are-the-winners-of-apples-shot-on-iphone-photo-contest/?mc_cid=7e21a18824&mc_eid=113f10f95a

Show me a photo of yours that was taken with a large sensor that is a better picture than any of these winning shots?

Gear heads are a weird group.

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Feb 27, 2019 00:06:24   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
From what I've read, the laws of physics limit what a camera in a cellular telephone can accomplish photographically. The snapshooters I observe using this little camera appear satisfied to have taken a snapshot. They live happily with this result, not questing for more.

I detect an assumption in this thread, that users of these little cameras want the performance of a DSLR out of their gear. I do not find empirical support for this assumption.

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Feb 27, 2019 00:27:58   #
cyclespeed Loc: Calgary, Alberta Canada
 
We have weekly challenges in our club. I submitted 5 images to our clubs web site that granted only lets 1000 pixels across upload properly for the 2 weeks between meetings shot on an iPhone 6. My usual camera is a Sony a6500. No one sad anything until they asked what PP program I was using which is Luminar. They were quite shocked. I explained that since I was with a group of 5 other bicycle riders doing a 13 day tour and none of them were photographers I didn't want to hold them up so I shot only the phone. Both have a place in my collection but I certainly have new found respect for phone camera technology.

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Feb 27, 2019 04:09:42   #
newtoyou Loc: Eastport
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Besides from the obvious drawbacks of the cellphone vs the DSLR the biggest problem for me with the cellphone is that it's too damn difficult to use.


Get a Bluetooth clicker. It will trigger the cell camera without the awkwardness . Next is a 'selfie' stick to make holding easier. Add some auxiliary lenses and you can do some beautiful work.
There is even a 5000 mm lens for one. Not bad, but get a tripod. Carry a fraction of the weight of conventional gear. And free GPS. I use mine for documentation with a quick shot with each for reference.
And price, again, a fraction of conventional gear. Many free APS for PP.
Just plusses, not favoritism.
Bill

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Feb 27, 2019 08:21:40   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
I always had issues sharing photos. It started with my Canon EOS Rebel 2000. While it was a Film Camera I always opted for a CD Disc. I could make several copies and share with colleagues. Then the game changed. I had a Canon 5D Mark II. Short of removing the CF memory card, sharing photos was arduous. Then I purchased a Wireless File Transmitter WFT-E4IIA. Sharing was still difficult. I picked up a 5D Mark IV and there is a HUGE learning curve for sharing photographs.
A cellphone makes sharing photographs much easier but the quality (I believe) falls short of your abilities. At one point I had a Blackberry and could remove the micro SD memory card for sharing photos. I will trudge through the technology until something easy and useful comes along. This may take some time. Here is a useful hack I figured out.
Buy a small bound 6 inch booklet to keep in your camera case. When someone wants photo, jot their name and address and telephone number down. Write down which photos they want. Then you have a permanent record of the transaction.
It seems to me to me to make sense.
Happy Shooting!

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