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Feb 26, 2019 10:45:33   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Sure! I have no problem with something like the D810 but the cell phone???? It's beyond me.


That's hard to understand.

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Feb 26, 2019 10:49:41   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
TriX wrote:
How about shooting action in low light or produce 30-50 MB raw files that can be cropped to a large degree and still retain decent resolution? I could go on, but that small sensor kills your low light / high ISO performance and max resolution. Sensors are improving, but bigger will always be better (although "good enough" is good enough for many people.)


Sounds a little boarish and pompous.

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Feb 26, 2019 10:57:04   #
Idaho
 
It's interesting to see how "mature" adults are adjusting to the new technology in photography. Some accept it while others simply don't as cell phone cameras improve year to year.. The market for lower end "real" cameras has to be dropping off drastically. The future is here. Don't let it spook you.
Add one of the higher end cellphones to your camera collection and have fun with it. Use the video for recording family activities over the years. Your phone is no longer a phone. It's a computer with a camera built in. Plus, you get a phone as a bonus feature.

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Feb 26, 2019 11:11:22   #
editorsteve
 
Both the phones and the DSLRs are getting better computers for signal processing. Both are getting more and more pixels, so some can be discarded for noise reduction or monitored better for color rendition and shadow detail.

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Feb 26, 2019 11:17:32   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
gvarner wrote:
Dear DSLR owners:
Do not fear the cameras in cellphones. They simply serve a niche in the photographic world and represent a transition from mainly mechanical to mainly digitally created photos. The two worlds will eventually mesh together so thoroughly that you will not be able to tell the end product from one versus the other. And if you’re just a viewer and not a printer, the difference is negligible. I can fantasize a digital zoom that equals the quality of a mechanical zoom, built-in macro with on demand focus stacking, and an ultra-high ISO without noise. They’re on their way.
Dear DSLR owners: br Do not fear the cameras in ce... (show quote)


Interestingly enough I and many others have received push-back from the DSLR aficionados when some time ago I penned a piece on how the DSLR will eventually become extinct as the mirrorless cameras take the main stage. That is happening now and in the immediate future whether we DSLR users like it or not. The camera phones are next. The convienance and portability of these devices will far outweigh the better IQ of a DSLR, Bridge, or other mirrorless body. Manufactures such as Fuji and Minolta, etc. Recognize that form-factor is becoming critical and are constantly offering options that are smaller and more convenient with each new version. I say, “make way for cell phone cameras... They are coming!”

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Feb 26, 2019 11:18:20   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
TriX wrote:
A quick look at the DR and low light / high ISO capability of cellphones will tell you why there is still a market for DSLR & MILC with larger sensors and the attendant larger lenses. I will note that there has been a “dumbing down” in terms of acceptable quality of most sensory media in the last decade or so. Probably the majority of today’s listeners have never heard good quality audio and are satisfied with MP3s; and by the same token, most of the photos they see are web-sized with limited resolution. Sadly for a majority of our population, convenience is more important than quality.
A quick look at the DR and low light / high ISO ca... (show quote)



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Feb 26, 2019 11:24:33   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
wingclui44 wrote:
How don't really care how much a cell phone can do, camera is a camera that is for photography, not for anything else, like doing phone call; banking ; remote controlling everything;monitoring home security system; getting news; spying on some one ....etc. Yes, it's a power device as a pocket computer. That's driving every body crazy, not me. Camera is strictly for photography period!


100% correct Wingclui44!!! That is the point here isn’t it. For some of us it is unlikely we will ever give up our camera gear of choice, however, the reality is that the “rest” of the world will take convenience over IQ, etc. Over time we true hobbyists will continue to enjoy our gear, however, the rest and by far the majority of the world will be scooting along with whatever device that can slide into a pocket and do just fine. In the end, “true camera gear” will be relegated to a very small minority, which isn’t so bad methinks...

Cheers!

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Feb 26, 2019 11:26:44   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Cell phones are serious photography now, and will be even more serious in the future.



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Feb 26, 2019 11:34:10   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
gvarner wrote:
Dear DSLR owners:
Do not fear the cameras in cellphones. They simply serve a niche in the photographic world and represent a transition from mainly mechanical to mainly digitally created photos. The two worlds will eventually mesh together so thoroughly that you will not be able to tell the end product from one versus the other. And if you’re just a viewer and not a printer, the difference is negligible. I can fantasize a digital zoom that equals the quality of a mechanical zoom, built-in macro with on demand focus stacking, and an ultra-high ISO without noise. They’re on their way.
Dear DSLR owners: br Do not fear the cameras in ce... (show quote)


Yep! Apple, Google, Samsung, LG, Huawei, and other companies have thousands of engineers working to improve their cameras and the systems that run them.

There is a huge snob factor attached to "real" cameras (dSLRs, SLRs, medium format cameras, EVILs, view cameras, etc.). We see it here, every day. However, skeptics should read this article. It's from 2017, but the trend is still going...

https://www.businessinsider.com/12-trillion-photos-to-be-taken-in-2017-thanks-to-smartphones-chart-2017-8

"Real" Photographers® are going to use their "Real" Cameras, and some of them also own and use smartphones. And some of us know the difference is just what we have with us when we use them.

Can I take a technically better image with a "Real® Camera?" Sure. Do I need to? It depends on the situation and the end use for the photo. Using that "Real® Camera" is an intentional act. Using a smartphone camera is a casual, spontaneous act — one that usually happens because we have our phones with us most of the time.

There are over two million OTHER reasons to own a smartphone. They're called software applications (apps). So any cost comparison of a smartphone camera with a dSLR, mirrorless, or film camera has to take the EXTREME marginal utility of the smartphone into consideration. I would submit that the extra usefulness of them is why smartphones and tablets are used to make about 90% of images, now (see article linked above).

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Feb 26, 2019 11:38:35   #
photogeneralist Loc: Lopez Island Washington State
 
There is only one constant in life and that constant is change.

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Feb 26, 2019 11:40:07   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
gvarner wrote:
Dear DSLR owners:
Do not fear the cameras in cellphones. They simply serve a niche in the photographic world and represent a transition from mainly mechanical to mainly digitally created photos. The two worlds will eventually mesh together so thoroughly that you will not be able to tell the end product from one versus the other. And if you’re just a viewer and not a printer, the difference is negligible. I can fantasize a digital zoom that equals the quality of a mechanical zoom, built-in macro with on demand focus stacking, and an ultra-high ISO without noise. They’re on their way.
Dear DSLR owners: br Do not fear the cameras in ce... (show quote)


Does this suggest that my Canon 5D S/R MK LXVII will contain a smartphone???

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Feb 26, 2019 11:49:45   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
TriX wrote:
IPhone 7 dynamic range (PDR): 7.15, Low light ISO:45 (3.84 EV)
Canon 5D4. dynamic range (PDR): 10.83, Low light ISO:5011 (10.65 EV)

‘Nuff said - there is no free lunch - you can have max performance or small size low weight, but not both


And either camera can produce a great photo or a lousy photo, depending on the user's knowledge, skills, and ability. Each device has its niche. Polaroid cameras were, for the most part, scoffed at as a gimmick but there was a pro who used them exclusively in portraiture mainly for the unique velvety quality of the print. A few on this forum have printed acceptable cellphone photos up to 16x20, acceptable in their view anyway. Burke Photo is one of them and I don’t consider him to be lacking in artistic appreciation.

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Feb 26, 2019 11:50:48   #
BebuLamar
 
gvarner wrote:
And either camera can produce a great photo or a lousy photo, depending on the user's knowledge, skills, and ability. Each device has its niche. Polaroid cameras were, for the most part, scoffed at as a gimmick but there was a pro who used them exclusively in portraiture mainly for the unique velvety quality of the print. A few on this forum have printed acceptable cellphone photos up to 16x20, acceptable in their view anyway. Burke Photo is one of them and I don’t consider him to be lacking in artistic appreciation.
And either camera can produce a great photo or a l... (show quote)


That's true but using the cell phone is beyond my skill.

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Feb 26, 2019 12:03:14   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
BebuLamar wrote:
That's true but using the cell phone is beyond my skill.



👍👍

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Feb 26, 2019 12:47:50   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
anotherview wrote:
Recently, I bought a smart phone to replace my flip phone. I've used the camera in the smart phone to take a few pictures. They simply do not measure up to the pictures from a DSLR. And I never expected them to do so.
A smart phone camera takes good snapshots. That's about the size of it.



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