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Feb 18, 2019 12:33:56   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
I am considering a 2017 - 27" iMac to replace my 2012 - 21.5 , My question is about PSCC, I see that the basic plan also includes both versions of lightroom, can I use PSCC without using Lightroom ? .
I have no desire or need to use either.I have my own catalog system set up and it works very well for my use.
Thank you for your help
Frank

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Feb 18, 2019 12:52:22   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
Yes. But, I would urge you to take a look at Lightroom Classic anyway, as it is the best photo cataloging program on the market, and also has batch editing capabilities which can save a huge amount of time vs. performing the same edits individually in PS. Most users employ LR for cataloging and basic edits, then launch PS when its special capabilities are called for. In my case, that's maybe 5% of the time.

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Feb 18, 2019 13:00:08   #
rwilson1942 Loc: Houston, TX
 
I agree with DWU2, LR offers tools that would be very difficult to duplicate in a home grown catalog system.
I find keywords and collections invaluable when I'm trying to locate a particular image.
I do ~95% of my editing in LR and then go into PS to add watermarks and do any editing that requires layers or the Clone tool.
Moving between LR and PS is quick and easy. I find the RAW editing interface in LR much more user friendly than that in PS.
Being able to create Presets in LR as starting points for editing speeds up my post processing a lot.

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Feb 18, 2019 13:19:09   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
I am considering a 2017 - 27" iMac to replace my 2012 - 21.5 , My question is about PSCC, I see that the basic plan also includes both versions of lightroom, can I use PSCC without using Lightroom ? .
I have no desire or need to use either.I have my own catalog system set up and it works very well for my use.
Thank you for your help
Frank


You can use any of the programs in the photography package standalone and ignore all the rest.*

However, the LR catalog has some advantages.

Can your catalog system search for an image by keywords, or metadata, or ratings?
Can your catalog system place an image in any number of different collections without duplicating the image?

It is true that the LR catalog takes some learning to use effectively. For that reason it's good to have a simple cataloging system in place so that other people (e.g. your family members) can search for an image without having to use LR. But LR expands the possibilities so you can find things faster than simple systems. If your system is based on folder names you can use both systems at the same time.

I use a system that places images in folders with descriptive names so that my family will have a chance to find things. But I use the LR catalog whenever I want to search for something because it's faster and more flexible.

* Technically, ACR is necessary to use LR or PS but it is automatically included if you install either of those programs.

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Feb 18, 2019 13:33:25   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
Thank you all for your help.
I tried Lightroom when it first came out, didn't like it then and I doubt that I would like it now, my system works for me, speed is not a concern so No Lightroom for me.

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Feb 18, 2019 13:45:13   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
I am considering a 2017 - 27" iMac to replace my 2012 - 21.5 , My question is about PSCC, I see that the basic plan also includes both versions of lightroom, can I use PSCC without using Lightroom ? .
I have no desire or need to use either.I have my own catalog system set up and it works very well for my use.
Thank you for your help
Frank


Of course. You'll still get a lot of the Lightroom Develop panel tools in ACR, so sure go ahead and just use Photoshop.

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Feb 18, 2019 13:53:39   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
I'm in the same situation. I was using Photoshop before Lightroom came out, and I had already devised a system with folders for organizing my photos. I just use ACR from Photoshop to process RAW files, and then edit nondestructively in Photoshop using layers. I've never even opened Lightroom since I got the subscription

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Feb 18, 2019 15:34:39   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
I'm in the same situation. I was using Photoshop before Lightroom came out, and I had already devised a system with folders for organizing my photos. I just use ACR from Photoshop to process RAW files, and then edit nondestructively in Photoshop using layers. I've never even opened Lightroom since I got the subscription

Kewl.
I started with Photoshop 7, now using CS6.

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Feb 18, 2019 16:40:15   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
I am considering a 2017 - 27" iMac to replace my 2012 - 21.5 , My question is about PSCC, I see that the basic plan also includes both versions of lightroom, can I use PSCC without using Lightroom ? .
I have no desire or need to use either.I have my own catalog system set up and it works very well for my use.
Thank you for your help
Frank


Yes, they are two different programs, neither needs the other to function, I also subscribe to PS CC, I do not even have LR at all on my computer (I just don't have a need for it)!

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Feb 19, 2019 07:05:51   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Batch editing can be done in PS, as well. LR cataloging ties one to an editing program. I prefer an independent catalog which is not tied to anything other than itself.
--Bob

DWU2 wrote:
Yes. But, I would urge you to take a look at Lightroom Classic anyway, as it is the best photo cataloging program on the market, and also has batch editing capabilities which can save a huge amount of time vs. performing the same edits individually in PS. Most users employ LR for cataloging and basic edits, then launch PS when its special capabilities are called for. In my case, that's maybe 5% of the time.

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Feb 19, 2019 07:27:35   #
Jrhoffman75 Loc: Conway, New Hampshire
 
“* Technically, ACR is necessary to use LR or PS but it is automatically included if you install either of those programs.”

Not correct. ACR is not required if you only want to use LR. The processing engine built into LR is the same as the engine in ACR.

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Feb 19, 2019 10:04:55   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
I am considering a 2017 - 27" iMac to replace my 2012 - 21.5 , My question is about PSCC, I see that the basic plan also includes both versions of lightroom, can I use PSCC without using Lightroom ? .
I have no desire or need to use either.I have my own catalog system set up and it works very well for my use.
Thank you for your help
Frank

Yes, you can use PS CC without LR Classic CC. I don't even have the other, mobile, version of LR installed on my computer. With PS alone, you can open pictures in it without going through LR. Or you can use Bridge to house your cataloging system.

I started with LR, so my images are linked with it, but I also have devised my own cataloging system. LR is very flexible that way, it does not require you to use a system determined by the program. I like it because it lets me view all my images in a folder as thumbnails on the screen, and they are much better than the ones I see from the folders on my hard drive. As others have said, using LR for your Catalog has other advantages as well.

That said, I used to use LR for most of my editing, but with the Adobe CC subscription, I began to learn PS CC. Now, while I do use some LR Classic CC editing functions more, for a large proportion of my images, the ratio has changed! I may do a few basic changed in LR, but most of the editing is done in PS. Sometimes I experiment and try both for certain processes - this is because LR actually does some things better than PS! But with ACR, you have the same choices you can make. It is all a matter of preference.

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Feb 19, 2019 10:06:54   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
DWU2 wrote:
Yes. But, I would urge you to take a look at Lightroom Classic anyway, as it is the best photo cataloging program on the market, and also has batch editing capabilities which can save a huge amount of time vs. performing the same edits individually in PS. Most users employ LR for cataloging and basic edits, then launch PS when its special capabilities are called for. In my case, that's maybe 5% of the time.



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Feb 19, 2019 11:11:16   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
I am considering a 2017 - 27" iMac to replace my 2012 - 21.5 , My question is about PSCC, I see that the basic plan also includes both versions of lightroom, can I use PSCC without using Lightroom ? .
I have no desire or need to use either.I have my own catalog system set up and it works very well for my use.
Thank you for your help
Frank

Back in 2012 I was using Photoshop, Lightroom, Elements, Photo-Paint, Paintshop Pro, CorelDRAW, and any and all that were free; GIMP comes immediately to mind.

Then, at an Adobe convention, I had the pleasure of watching one expert who had been doing exactly what I was doing explain how Photoshop alone can do what all the others were doing cumulatively if only I would give it a chance. So every time I did something, Paintshop Pro, I would then do it in Photoshop. If I did it in CorelDRAW, I would then do it in Photoshop. Since I make a living doing things to digital photos, it only took me about six months before I was doing everything in Photoshop. So I didn't have to upgrade all those other programs whenever upgrades came along. Saved me about $2,700 annually. Then, along came the Cloud, and Photoshop and Lightroom together were just $9.99 a month. That saved me another $600 or so annually on Photoshop upgrades.

At a convention in 2016, an Adobe expert showed us how Bridge is far superior to Lightroom's cataloging functions because Bridge will never, ever lose track of a folder or a file. So I endeavored to quit using Lightroom's cataloging (which I never liked anyway) and go 100% full-on with Photoshop. Bridge also has batch functions and much much more.

The greatest things about Photoshop and Bridge is that Bridge comes with Photoshop, and Photoshop is the world's de facto standard, so if you get stuck on something, there are probably millions of text tutorials, YouTube tutorials, and the online Adobe forums where you can get immediate answers.

Make the effort to learn everything about Bridge & Photoshop, and you'll never go back to anything else.
Make that effort first by doing the things that you do everyday.

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Feb 19, 2019 12:07:34   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
I'll add my voice to the chorus of those that use Photoshop and never open LR. If I were a pro with thousand of images to process on a regular basis it would certainly be worth looking into LR. If you don't have a large workload I don't see the need.

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