Camera market has collapsed 84% since 2010
Feb 13, 2019 12:17:02 #
ggab wrote:
They say "a picture is worth a thousand words." Here's a thousand words, taken in Talinn, Estonia, last Spring:I just finished reading an article in "Digita... (show quote)
Feb 13, 2019 12:28:47 #
rdgreenwood wrote:
They say "a picture is worth a thousand words." Here's a thousand words, taken in Talinn, Estonia, last Spring:
Made me smile. Thanks!
Feb 13, 2019 12:35:14 #
ggab
Loc: ?
Grandpa Ron wrote:
Perhaps even photos will fall out of fashion, replaced by the Star Wars holographic projections. If you were Canon or Nikon where would you invest your research dollars?
Perhaps even photos will fall out of fashion, replaced by the Star Wars holographic projections. If you were Canon or Nikon where would you invest your research dollars?
I know Canon has invested rather heavily in VR and Medical Imaging.
Feb 13, 2019 12:35:45 #
Saying a cell phone is not a good camera, is like comparing my 1980 Yashica twin lens to a Hasselblad of the same vintage.
Some of the newer cell phone have very good cameras. Of course it will be second to a top of the line cameras; but then again, the the top cameras cannot make phone calls.
All of this is becoming a moot point, as the true quality and value of a photograph is becoming more and more dependent on the skills of the post processing.
Some of the newer cell phone have very good cameras. Of course it will be second to a top of the line cameras; but then again, the the top cameras cannot make phone calls.
All of this is becoming a moot point, as the true quality and value of a photograph is becoming more and more dependent on the skills of the post processing.
Feb 13, 2019 12:49:03 #
While the algorithms in cellphone cameras are taking giant steps, the manufacturers of Dslr’s or mirrorless are not just going to fold shop. Since the rise of the digital camera a lpt of people walk around with cameras beyond their understanding. That is just a normal progression. With film cameras one had to know something about photography to get your money’s worth while with digital, well just delete and see what else you could try. Look at some of the most basic questions asked on this blog by people who own what I consider pro grade cameras. Sometimes hard to believe. While the market share may be lost to smart phones, pro grade cameras will always have a market ( though smaller ) with the serious amateur and pro. IMHO
WJH
WJH
Feb 13, 2019 12:50:16 #
Fotoartist wrote:
Browsing through the Mobile Photography Awards which were very good, I didn't see many bird shots at all. Just saying.
I agree. You won't see a lot of sports action either. But, the argument that 'serious' photography requires an interchangeable lens camera is just plain ignorant of the facts.
Feb 13, 2019 13:37:24 #
JimBart
Loc: Western Michigan
In the past, photography was an art and photographs were made for memories and left for legacies. Film and cameras were expensive and could be afforded by few .... rich
Today the is no film and as for the Internet everything is instant. Cell phones have replaced cameras as well as computers
On the future however, when the internet goes down as it will and has in a few countries following a takeover or a disaster, phones and phone cameras will cease to operate. All our cameras will then become valuable a a resource for a time
Our cameras will always be in need albeit a spicific niche.
Today the is no film and as for the Internet everything is instant. Cell phones have replaced cameras as well as computers
On the future however, when the internet goes down as it will and has in a few countries following a takeover or a disaster, phones and phone cameras will cease to operate. All our cameras will then become valuable a a resource for a time
Our cameras will always be in need albeit a spicific niche.
Feb 13, 2019 14:12:23 #
Jim,
While I am not a techno-geek, I am certain that technology is not going to go down.
Massive power failures have not brought and end to electricity, rocket blowing up on the launch pads did not stop space exploration, flood and violent weather have washed out bridges and roads but the automobile is in fine shape. Dictators have stopped the internet at times but people still take selfies with their friends.
The advantage of technology is you can get off and on when ever you please. I love digital cameras but still play with film. Where I live the Amish still drive buggies but they use cellphones for business. Most folks use the level of technology they need or can afford.
Even after a catastrophic asteroid strike, the survivors will be looking for generator parts to not candle wax.
The technology genie is out of the bottle, some I find handy, some I have no need for.
While I am not a techno-geek, I am certain that technology is not going to go down.
Massive power failures have not brought and end to electricity, rocket blowing up on the launch pads did not stop space exploration, flood and violent weather have washed out bridges and roads but the automobile is in fine shape. Dictators have stopped the internet at times but people still take selfies with their friends.
The advantage of technology is you can get off and on when ever you please. I love digital cameras but still play with film. Where I live the Amish still drive buggies but they use cellphones for business. Most folks use the level of technology they need or can afford.
Even after a catastrophic asteroid strike, the survivors will be looking for generator parts to not candle wax.
The technology genie is out of the bottle, some I find handy, some I have no need for.
Feb 13, 2019 14:31:56 #
There is little doubt that the Camera market is and will continue to change. Don't write off Cell Phone Cameras. Remember Kodak thought their business was Film not Cameras and look what happened to them. The business of Cameras is taking pictures. You can get a good picture with just about any Camera and the software that is available (and improving like the Camera) one can do almost anything they want to improve/change the picture.
Feb 13, 2019 14:48:24 #
RV wrote:
br No doubt the cell phone camera technology is e... (show quote)
You are very correct. But you ignore the
fact that "A person who is serious about
photography" is a nearly extinct species,
and breeding them in zoos will not save
the species.
Think about how limited yet expensive the
M-series Leicas are. Thaz reality in a niche
market. Better-Than-a-Phone cameras will
be limited to a similar expensive niche.
Very likely all the "pro level" gear that you
all think the world cannot live without will
disappear. Then you all will have nothing
left to argue over and all the geek forums
will collapse down to a few young geezers
arguing the merits of things of the recent
"glorious" past.
.
Feb 13, 2019 14:49:01 #
I agree with your conclusion. Last summer we went on a bus trip to National Parks of the golden west. Before the trip I insisted I would take both my FZ1000 and my P900. I told my wife they were different and the subject would dictate which one I used. The FZ1000 is the better camera, but I took only the P900 because of the longer range of the lens. There were about 50 on the bus and I saw only one or two others with cameras. I think my pictures were better than most of the phone pictures. It will be pretty hard to get much of a zoom lens in something as small as a cell phone.
I have long thought full frame cameras are doomed because the history of electronics is better, smaller, and cheaper.
I have long thought full frame cameras are doomed because the history of electronics is better, smaller, and cheaper.
Feb 13, 2019 15:11:04 #
ggab wrote:
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I do not think the Major Camera MFG's will
allow cell phones to take over their core.
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I do not think the Major Camera MFG's will
allow cell phones to take over their core.
........
Not a question of what "the Major Camera
MFG's will allow". Simply put, cell phones
won't "take over their core". Their core will
just shrink to a tiny, expensive, boutique
market similar to the M-Leica situation.
What will "the pros" use ? "The pros" are a
fantasy tribe imagined by enthusiasts. The
working photographers will use whatever is
at hand, just as their "ancestors" did before
manufacturers hit on the idea of "flagship"
gear as a money-losing promotional game.
FWIW, working photographers will soon not
be full time as photographers. Photography
will be one of the myriad "professions" that
form the Gig Economy, where people work
MORE than full time, but none of the actual
jobs is ever a full time endeavor in itself.
.
Feb 13, 2019 15:11:05 #
seems to me LFingar and CHG Canon have it right. Sure for the 'art' I'd like to think I'm capable of doing my DSLRs is good but for the daily pics my daughter takes of her twins with her iphone, and shares with the entire family and posts immediately to social media - can't beat it. These are not Kodak Instamatics vs. Canon F1 35mm's. Smartphone camera quality is pretty impressive as are the apps that help improve composition. That will only continue. My 2 & 1/4's and Zeiss lenses, the rangefinders and all of my 35mm's are on the display shelves, being displayed. I don't see why my 'heavy duty' DSLR's shouldn't join them some day.
Feb 13, 2019 15:35:46 #
As far as DSLR's, I will guarantee you that they are on their way out, to be replaced by full frame and APS-C mirrorless. Canon is certainly headed in that direction. Their EOS R is not the start of a line running parallel to the DSLR, it is the start of a replacement for the DSLR. Doubt me? Talk to me about it in five years.
Prosumer and professional cameras will be around for a long time, but the market and the cameras will change. There is no stopping it.[/quote]
Yes, I do doubt, because you somehow omit to include the fact that MFT, which are favored by many photographers and are quite successful, may continue to improve and take a significant portion of the mirrorless camera market. Of course, neither of us has a crystal ball as so your guess is as good as mine.
Prosumer and professional cameras will be around for a long time, but the market and the cameras will change. There is no stopping it.[/quote]
Yes, I do doubt, because you somehow omit to include the fact that MFT, which are favored by many photographers and are quite successful, may continue to improve and take a significant portion of the mirrorless camera market. Of course, neither of us has a crystal ball as so your guess is as good as mine.
Feb 13, 2019 15:36:31 #
ggab
Loc: ?
Well, I am glad that I was able to spur a conversation that went 6 pages.
We will see what we will see, regarding the future.
In the meantime I will take pictures when I can and deal with my Gas attacks when I get them.
Everyone, Have a Great Day!
George
We will see what we will see, regarding the future.
In the meantime I will take pictures when I can and deal with my Gas attacks when I get them.
Everyone, Have a Great Day!
George
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