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Feb 13, 2019 09:18:10   #
ggab Loc: ?
 
traderjohn wrote:
I don't believe people are lazy just because they don't share your belief in photography. It's just not something they are concerned about. The cellphone satisfies all their needs. They can communicate, take and share pictures almost instantly.


I agree. It is the concept of:

1- Instant gratification
2- An acceptance of "good enough".

Most of us share these traits towards items or subjects that we really don't care about much, IMHO.

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Feb 13, 2019 09:20:58   #
ggab Loc: ?
 
philz wrote:
The reality is that the point and shoot camera market is doing quite well - if one considers that people are spending $500-700 more than they need to in order to have a smartphone with a better camera.


Very good point.

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Feb 13, 2019 09:23:02   #
StaneeRae Loc: Lincroft, NJ USA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Do you think the 100MP sensor will first be deployed in the $500 entry-level or the $3000 advanced-prosumer products, if not at some still higher price point representing the boutique nature of this pixel resolution?

100MP already exists, at a very high price point.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1244709-REG/hasselblad_h_3013742_h6d_100c_medium_format_dslr.html/

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Feb 13, 2019 09:35:35   #
larkahn
 
Dikdik wrote:
There seems to be a much greater variety of cameras today.

Dik


Well said!
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Feb 13, 2019 09:43:44   #
BlueMorel Loc: Southwest Michigan
 
We just need to steer the younger folks to UHH so we can convince them to appreciate the joys of non-cellphone photography and brainwash them with repeated paeans of praise of our favorite equipment. If camera manufacturers were smart they'd sponsor school camera clubs.

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Feb 13, 2019 10:18:15   #
ggab Loc: ?
 
BlueMorel wrote:
We just need to steer the younger folks to UHH so we can convince them to appreciate the joys of non-cellphone photography and brainwash them with repeated paeans of praise of our favorite equipment. If camera manufacturers were smart they'd sponsor school camera clubs.



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Feb 13, 2019 10:24:40   #
oregon don
 
Cameras hell! blame it on Kodak and the loss of kodachrome!

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Feb 13, 2019 10:26:33   #
Hip Coyote
 
Cell phone cameras are indeed real. I imagine when automatic intelligence gets to the point that a processor can fill in where a lens cannot or allow the user to create his/her own reality of what the scene looked like, remove noise (or something is developed that has no noise), can make color photos out of infrared due to AI, etc then the mirrorless/dslr/ etc may be in even more trouble if not dead. The ability of a camera to continually take photos allowing the user to go back in time slightly (Oly Pro Capture?) is changing the scene already. Technology moves on. Is is good? Is it bad? That is a matter of opinion. But it will move. I find it exciting. I love my mirrorless cameras, lenses, etc....but if something light/ better comes a long, I will change with the times.

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Feb 13, 2019 10:32:29   #
timcc Loc: Virginia
 
NCMtnMan wrote:
People in general are lazy. Unless they are truly interested in photography, they don't want to learn how to use a DSLR and the convenience of the cell camera finishes the deal. these were the pocket camera point and shoot people before the cell cameras. So nothing really new. Just a shift in the product used.


While I don't agree that laziness is always the issue -- it's more often simply a lack of interest -- I agree with your statement that "these were the pocket camera point and shoot people before the cell cameras. So nothing really new. Just a shift in the product used."

Unfortunately, many of the major camera manufacturers counted on the P&S market to boost their profit margins: cameras that cost little to produce, but sold in high volumes. Samsung and Apple, among others, have largely taken over that market, and the profits it generates.

Canon and Nikon, in particular, have lost much of an important revenue stream that supported their R&D and offset the relatively lower margins on their high-end cameras. The question is whether they can sustain their innovation and financial viability with their reduced market share in the years ahead.

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Feb 13, 2019 11:17:30   #
Meadwilliam
 
Kodak tried to keep their core from withering away. How did that work out?

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Feb 13, 2019 11:38:01   #
Grandpa Ron
 
The camera market is not shrinking, it is just changing shape.

I spent several hour a field with my 1910 4x5 view camera. I fun project but hardly likely to catch on.

View cameras gave way to roll film, then box cameras replace bellow lens, box cameras got smaller, twin lens reflex had it day, the 35 mm certainly rose to dominance and now digital is king of the hill.

The common theme is smaller and more convenient. What could be more convenient then a camera that you can also use to make phone calls and surf the internet? Afterwards you can drop it in you back pocket.

If you are in the camera business, you are probably dedicating your product development group to making better photo apps and perhaps a few smart attachments.

There will always be niche markets for hand held camera buffs, particularly professionals where cost is part of doing business. Fortunately these niches also include traditional film and digital hobbyist.

Remember, there a still folks out there who will make you a decent buggy whip.

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Feb 13, 2019 11:47:27   #
ggab Loc: ?
 
Meadwilliam wrote:
Kodak tried to keep their core from withering away. How did that work out?


Kodak's core product was film cameras. I think we can all agree that films time has past.
Both phones and interchangeable lens cameras are digital, so they use the same medium.
According to the data, the basic digital camera has lost almost all of it's ground to cell phones.

I do not buy into the premise that DSLR's and interchangeable lens mirrorless cameras are low profit items, just the opposite. The data suggests that while there has been some erosion in the interchangeable lens camera market, it has not been nearly as impacted as the basic digital cameras.

Once a truly new technology rolls around (not a feature), what ever it may be, we will see how the established manufacturers of interchangeable cameras react. I firmly believe that Canon, Nikon etc. will protect there interchangeable camera market. I think the smart player will begin, as was suggested earlier, sponsoring camera classes and clubs in schools. This will get young people interested in photography and the capabilities of larger cameras.

Imagine what would happen to the Pro Photographers, if the companies raised the price of their interchangeable lens cameras 50%! You would have to pass your eq. price increase to your customers. This begins a domino effect.

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Feb 13, 2019 11:47:52   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Browsing through the Mobile Photography Awards which were very good, I didn't see many bird shots at all. Just saying.

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Feb 13, 2019 12:13:42   #
Glenn Harve
 
Perhaps camera manufacturers should get into the cell phone game, show them a thing or two.

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Feb 13, 2019 12:15:15   #
Grandpa Ron
 
The basic assumption that the classic digital camera market will always be here is true. There will always be some folk who like to tinker with alternate equipment.

Still, it is difficult to believe that Ansel Adams would have lugged the same gear across the country if he were filming today.

The next generation Pro may never even take still pictures. They may simple cull the video frame they like from their panoramic sweep of the landscape; down loaded from their Go-Pro sized camera.

Perhaps even photos will fall out of fashion, replaced by the Star Wars holographic projections. If you were Canon or Nikon where would you invest your research dollars?

But you can rest assured some of my ilk will still be scratching their heads trying to decipher the secrets of a 4x5 view camera or a 120 twin lens reflex handed down through the family.

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