Camera market has collapsed 84% since 2010
Feb 13, 2019 08:47:17 #
berchman
Loc: South Central PA
ggab wrote:
Personally I do not like crossovers, SUV's or Mini Vans. I drive a BMW.
I have an old, 2003, SUV (the wife likes trucks) that I use for hauling stuff.
I have an old, 2003, SUV (the wife likes trucks) that I use for hauling stuff.
My sports car is a 2000 BMW M Coupe.
Feb 13, 2019 08:48:35 #
ggab
Loc: ?
Bill_de wrote:
BMW and Crossovers are not mutually exclusive. What BMW do you drive?
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328i xdrive
I am looking to add an older Z4
Feb 13, 2019 08:48:36 #
Feb 13, 2019 08:48:54 #
oh my gosh... why do you folks have your panties in a bunch just because the general populace isn't validating your passion? Get over it... DSLR's have evolved to way beyond what I need to meet or exceed my client's expectations... No rush to upgrade my Nikon D3x which delivers serious quality far beyond anything my clients expect... and my 20+ year old primes deliver in spades...
Like what's the point here? Are you guys and girls really coveting validation? If so then up your game... at the end of the day it's epic photographic artistry that rules... matters little if it is initially captured by a cell phone or DSLR...
Bottom Line? UHH is a haven for the gerontology crowd lost in yesteryear...
Best advice? Get on Instagram and feast on the brilliance of the finest artist in the marketplace...
For those who work commercially this flap over cell phones is likely only relevant to the poor wedding event shooters who are being downgraded in importance i.e. significance by gifted cellphone shooters at the event who have the event documented and posted on IG before the photographer of record has packed their vehicle for the journey back to the studio...
I shoot league soccer.... no worries about cell phone replacing my market sharing...
I shoot beauty and fashion... no worries since I'm a professional makeup artist who actually "gets" what those genres are all about...
For those who shoot landscapes? Cell phones to an decent job... albeit for HDR cell phone can't compete...
However they do 4K video with compelling finesse... and blow DSLR's out of the water in portability and easy of use...
If you pick your genres wisely then world is your oyster...
All the best on your journey
Like what's the point here? Are you guys and girls really coveting validation? If so then up your game... at the end of the day it's epic photographic artistry that rules... matters little if it is initially captured by a cell phone or DSLR...
Bottom Line? UHH is a haven for the gerontology crowd lost in yesteryear...
Best advice? Get on Instagram and feast on the brilliance of the finest artist in the marketplace...
For those who work commercially this flap over cell phones is likely only relevant to the poor wedding event shooters who are being downgraded in importance i.e. significance by gifted cellphone shooters at the event who have the event documented and posted on IG before the photographer of record has packed their vehicle for the journey back to the studio...
I shoot league soccer.... no worries about cell phone replacing my market sharing...
I shoot beauty and fashion... no worries since I'm a professional makeup artist who actually "gets" what those genres are all about...
For those who shoot landscapes? Cell phones to an decent job... albeit for HDR cell phone can't compete...
However they do 4K video with compelling finesse... and blow DSLR's out of the water in portability and easy of use...
If you pick your genres wisely then world is your oyster...
All the best on your journey
Feb 13, 2019 08:50:45 #
NCMtnMan
Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
People in general are lazy. Unless they are truly interested in photography, they don't want to learn how to use a DSLR and the convenience of the cell camera finishes the deal. these were the pocket camera point and shoot people before the cell cameras. So nothing really new. Just a shift in the product used.
Feb 13, 2019 08:51:20 #
ggab
Loc: ?
Thomas902 wrote:
oh my gosh... why to you folks have your panties i... (show quote)
Calm down. Relax. This is just a conversation.
Feb 13, 2019 08:53:10 #
ggab wrote:
Calm down. Relax. This is just a conversation.
It isn't even a heated conversation ... yet.
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Feb 13, 2019 08:54:25 #
"...Calm down. Relax. This is just a conversation..." thanks ggab you're way too kind I needed that... :)
Feb 13, 2019 08:54:31 #
graybeard wrote:
You are correct. It was not addressed to you. Since you knew that from the start, why did you bother to reply ??
Why did I reply? I see you are using the "Quote Reply" button now, aren't you? Makes it a bit easier for anyone reading your responses.
Feb 13, 2019 09:02:27 #
gvarner
Loc: Central Oregon Coast
I would argue that camera sales have not declined but what people consider to be cameras has changed. Smartphones (I call them camera/phones) have become a popular device for capturing photos with relative ease, plus the added feature of easy sharing on social media. It’s the first camera that young people are exposed to and, because of the quality and flexibility, becomes their only camera. They see no need to upgrade to a different type of devise. I’m biased I suppose because my wife and I recently upgraded our "phones" to iPhone XR's. With skill, you can get decent prints up to 16x20 and excellent quality photos if you’re just viewing on a monitor or TV, which is pretty much what we do. I won’t abandon my D7000 soon because of the options I have with it plus my lenses and flash. But it’s tempting.
Feb 13, 2019 09:03:24 #
philz
Loc: Rockaway Township NJ
The reality is that the point and shoot camera market is doing quite well - if one considers that people are spending $500-700 more than they need to in order to have a smartphone with a better camera. I have an Motorola G5 Plus smartphone with an excellent screen and speed that cost me $180 that lets me surf the web, use my email, read books and articles, and yes, make and receive phone calls.
It also has a 12 MP camera that will capture for me reasonable well moments that I want to record or share. And with an app, I can transfer great photos taken with my Canon and Fuji cameras to it by Wi-Fi for immediate transmission to friends and websites. All for less than $200.
So what is happening is that people are paying a huge premium to buy a camera with a phone for $500-700 instead of spending a lot less money for a compact, small sensor, often large zoom point and shoot that will yield better images that that expensive phone. Great marketing by Apple and Samsung, for sure, but not a "free" camera purchase at all.
It also has a 12 MP camera that will capture for me reasonable well moments that I want to record or share. And with an app, I can transfer great photos taken with my Canon and Fuji cameras to it by Wi-Fi for immediate transmission to friends and websites. All for less than $200.
So what is happening is that people are paying a huge premium to buy a camera with a phone for $500-700 instead of spending a lot less money for a compact, small sensor, often large zoom point and shoot that will yield better images that that expensive phone. Great marketing by Apple and Samsung, for sure, but not a "free" camera purchase at all.
Feb 13, 2019 09:10:24 #
NCMtnMan wrote:
People in general are lazy. Unless they are truly interested in photography, they don't want to learn how to use a DSLR and the convenience of the cell camera finishes the deal. these were the pocket camera point and shoot people before the cell cameras. So nothing really new. Just a shift in the product used.
I don't believe people are lazy just because they don't share your belief in photography. It's just not something they are concerned about. The cellphone satisfies all their needs. They can communicate, take and share pictures almost instantly.
Feb 13, 2019 09:12:08 #
This is a very interesting conversation for photographers. Cameras in cell phones are convenient, we always have them with us but no serious photographer will go to a National Park to shoot landscapes with them.
The point and shoot market has shronked to the point that we see less and less p&s cameras for sale. Mirrorless and dSLR bodies have seen a decline on sales in the past years and I have no clue if the trend will continue. The prices of new cameras, as we all know, is now astronomical.
I believe that the market is over saturated. Camera companies give us new technologies every year or so and new cameras become "obsolete" in a matter of a few months. Fortunately for those of us who feed in the refurb and second hand market the prices of used cameras keep on been attractive and affordable.
I cannot read the future so I cannot tell what is coming but I predicted a few years ago that eventually the majority of the cameras in the market would be mirrorless. It is beginning to happen.
As Paul said, cameras are a luxury for amateur photographers although they are indispensable for the professional. I do not see how a cell phone camera will cause the demise of mirrorless or dSLR bodies.
The point and shoot market has shronked to the point that we see less and less p&s cameras for sale. Mirrorless and dSLR bodies have seen a decline on sales in the past years and I have no clue if the trend will continue. The prices of new cameras, as we all know, is now astronomical.
I believe that the market is over saturated. Camera companies give us new technologies every year or so and new cameras become "obsolete" in a matter of a few months. Fortunately for those of us who feed in the refurb and second hand market the prices of used cameras keep on been attractive and affordable.
I cannot read the future so I cannot tell what is coming but I predicted a few years ago that eventually the majority of the cameras in the market would be mirrorless. It is beginning to happen.
As Paul said, cameras are a luxury for amateur photographers although they are indispensable for the professional. I do not see how a cell phone camera will cause the demise of mirrorless or dSLR bodies.
Feb 13, 2019 09:14:54 #
graybeard wrote:
You are correct. It was not addressed to you. Since you knew that from the start, why did you bother to reply ??
Aren't you a joy.
Feb 13, 2019 09:17:57 #
pecohen wrote:
As the increasingly ubiquitous cell-phone improves... (show quote)
Those that use their cell phones to take pictures are not interested in competing with DSLR's. It's not part of their world.
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