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Feb 13, 2019 13:20:05   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
SpyderJan wrote:
I updated my Windows just so I could try this, but it wouldn't work with either .jpg or .png files. I have yet to find out what file format it does work with.


It only works with RAW and some DNG files (????that is Adobe's own format) according to the short post I read. Could be that in addition to the latest versions you need to set windows etc in a certain way. I wonder if there is a list of those settings somewhere?

I think later today I will go through updates etc again in case there is something I missed or installed only partially or with corrupted files.

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-cc/using/enhance-details.html They give the computer specs for the LR update and a link to GPU specs for Camera RAW (?)

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Feb 13, 2019 15:28:41   #
saxman71 Loc: Wenatchee
 
I just tried it. Got the black box and it took a long time to get it.

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Feb 13, 2019 15:51:05   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
robertjerl wrote:
I have 34 years as a classroom teacher and in this video at least he just seems to be rambling, partial thoughts and repeating things just to fill unorganized time for much of the video I watched. To me it was almost mentally painful to watch.
In teaching we call it a lesson plan. Generally it goes "tell them what you going to teach" (very brief), then in a structured lesson/lecture/demonstration in a logical sequence give all the necessary material and finally a summary where you remind them what you taught (brief). And yes I often used a script either in the form of an outline when there were a lot of facts to give or 3x5 note cards. And since I was in the same room with my students I also gave out study guides and relevant materials as handouts. Plus they had their text books (many of which are very bad and full of errors at the Jr and Sr High level*) with my study guides keyed to the book, often with corrections to errors in the book.

*One review of some new textbooks published in the American Federation of Teachers quarterly magazine the Ivy League professor writing it said something like "If they tried to sell my university a textbook this bad they would never sell another book to us."
I have 34 years as a classroom teacher and in this... (show quote)


Your teaching technique is familiar. I taught people how to fly and briefly taught MBA candidates. It always started with, "Here is what we are going to do today...."

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Feb 13, 2019 15:53:13   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
robertjerl wrote:
After my first "black frame" result I went to my video card manufacturers site and down loaded all the latest versions of everything for my card. Same results and it takes about 45 seconds to process one frame - to solid black. I also did the same for windows and Adobe CC.


There are active topics on two Adobe forums. Changing drivers isn't helping anyone with the black enhanced dng.

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Feb 13, 2019 15:57:50   #
tovie
 
I updated to LR Classic CC 8.2 on my iMac (Mojave) and tried a running a few images thru its new "Enhance Details ..." feature. The enhancements were noticeable but not remarkable. IMHO I'd only use this to prepare an image for large prints, if at all. I did notice that the feature transformed my 16MB CR2 images into 64MB DNG files. So use the feature with a definite purpose in mind.

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Feb 13, 2019 16:00:01   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
robertjerl wrote:
Did they mention which one?


One or two in the Adobe forums are saying ON1 works. I tried (the free) Photoshop Express and it worked. I posted my sucess thinking I would be a hero by hoping I was helping Adobe figure it out.

The reply from Adobe engineering was that outside viewing only sees the base "mosaic portion" of the image and not the enhanced data.

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Feb 13, 2019 16:03:17   #
Anvil Loc: Loveland, CO
 
I updated my machine to the latest version of Windows 10, just so I could try this new Lightroom feature.

I tried this feature on two images. The first was an image that I had already edited, in Lightroom. The second was an image with all its edits removed.

Someone mentioned, earlier in this thread, that the DNG files that are created by this Enhance feature are rather large. Indeed, they are. In my case, each of the new DNG files were approximately four times the size of the original DNG files. It also took at least eight minutes to create each one. (My machine is not new, nor is it particularly fast.) After I created the first enhanced DNG file, I started doing some visual comparisons. Lightroom started acting goofy, and terminated. After I created the second enhanced DNG file, I did the same types of comparisons. Lightroom did not behave goofy, this time, and I ended up terminating Lightroom normally.

I inspected the before and after of each of these two test cases. I looked at each pair both in full screen rendering, in Lightroom, and in full resolution jpegs. I'll be damned if I can tell the difference. Adobe says this feature is useful if you intend to create large prints. Maybe so, but I don't really have a way of testing that.

I may decide to try this, again, but I'm not in any real hurry. I'm not really all that anxious to create super huge files that don't show any apparent improvement.

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Feb 13, 2019 16:39:44   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
This feature in 8.2 opens and runs perfectly on my totally up to date and powerful Mac. The problem is that it doesn't seem to change anything. I tried it on five different types of shots and I couldn't see any difference even when I pixel peeped. It's not going to be part of my workflow but if I remember it's there I may continue to try it on various shots now and then.
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bsprague wrote:
This morning I got a Lightroom Classic update notice. It goes from 8.1 to 8.2 Other than the usual new cameras and fixes it has a new menu choice in the Photo menu. It is "Enhance Details".

It won't work on my machine because mine is still running Windows 1803. Adobe says I need 1809 "Fall Update".

Adobe describes this as, "Achieve crisp detail and improved color rendering in raw images that is powered by Adobe Sensei. Introduced in the February 2019 release of Lightroom Classic (version 8.2) and powered by Adobe Sensei, Enhance Details produces crisp detail, improved color rendering, more accurate renditions of edges, and fewer artifacts. Enhance Details is especially useful for making large prints, where fine details are more visible. This feature applies to raw mosaic files from cameras with Bayer sensors (Canon, Nikon, Sony, and others) and Fujifilm X-Trans sensors."

Anybody got the Windows Fall Update that can try this? Does it work?
This morning I got a Lightroom Classic update noti... (show quote)

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Feb 13, 2019 16:50:30   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Latest failures:
Went to microsoft for a manual check of Win 10 updates - says I have the latest and greatest (64bit).

Rececked the update at Adobe - again "no updates"

Went to NVIDEA and down loaded latest drivers for my video card and did a "clean install" - still black images

I even tried a RAW file from a different camera (Fuji) - still black but I did get a couple of vague charcoal gray blobs where two peoples faces were in the picture. I tried everything that would effect exposure and no change.

It appears that the shots are processed so underexposed as to produce a nearly 100% black.

I would say that Adobe Sensei AI is a lot of 'A' and not much 'I'. I have been thinking about a video card upgrade, maybe now is the time.

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Feb 13, 2019 17:00:22   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
robertjerl wrote:
Latest failures:
Went to microsoft for a manual check of Win 10 updates - says I have the latest and greatest (64bit).

Rececked the update at Adobe - again "no updates"

Went to NVIDEA and down loaded latest drivers for my video card and did a "clean install" - still black images

I even tried a RAW file from a different camera (Fuji) - still black but I did get a couple of vague charcoal gray blobs where two peoples faces were in the picture. I tried everything that would effect exposure and no change.

It appears that the shots are processed so underexposed as to produce a nearly 100% black.

I would say that Adobe Sensei AI is a lot of 'A' and not much 'I'. I have been thinking about a video card upgrade, maybe now is the time.
Latest failures: br Went to microsoft for a manual... (show quote)


As others have said, and Adobe says, this feature works best with images from newer cameras that have no anti-aliasing filters. It also works best when you are going BIG — really big — with a print.

Coincidentally, I had an image to render for a 30x20 inch print just this morning, so I downloaded and tried the Enhance feature. It made a small improvement, but when you're going from Micro 4/3 at 16 MP to a 30x20, every little bit helps!

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Feb 13, 2019 17:29:05   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
burkphoto wrote:
As others have said, and Adobe says, this feature works best with images from newer cameras that have no anti-aliasing filters. It also works best when you are going BIG — really big — with a print.

Coincidentally, I had an image to render for a 30x20 inch print just this morning, so I downloaded and tried the Enhance feature. It made a small improvement, but when you're going from Micro 4/3 at 16 MP to a 30x20, every little bit helps!


Well, my images are from 80D and 5DIV.

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Feb 13, 2019 20:00:03   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
I had my computer check for updates and per the Update settings did all of the available updates for Windows and then tried the new LR feature. It said that I needed to update Windows to the Aug 2018 version. I thought I just had so I did some checking and found that I must do a manual update to that version. So I tried yesterday but was having trouble with my internet speeds and my connection so I am downloading and updating this morning. After I get back from breakfast it should be updated. Will let you know what I think after that.
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All done with the Aug 2018 Windows 10 Update and all is good. The new LR feature works but I can't tell much if any difference.

For the new update:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

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Feb 13, 2019 20:02:43   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
All done with the Aug 2018 Windows 10 Update and all is good. The new LR feature works but I can't tell much if any difference.

For the new update:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10


Can you tell me what your video card is and the driver version? I'm starting to get the feeling that my card is too old and no longer getting driver updates. That might turn out to be an unfixable obstacle.

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Feb 13, 2019 21:03:50   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
bsprague wrote:
Can you tell me what your video card is and the driver version? I'm starting to get the feeling that my card is too old and no longer getting driver updates. That might turn out to be an unfixable obstacle.


My computer is a Dell that is about 3 years old now. i7 processor, 4 core, 24GB ram, SSD m.2 NVMe hard drive and a 2GB 7200rpm hard drive. The video is a 4GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 Driver Date 1/3/2018 Version 23.21.13.9065

About a year ago I had trouble getting Adobe products to work after a major Adobe update, so I had Adobe take control of my computer and they installed the latest video drivers. All has worked great since.

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Feb 13, 2019 23:11:52   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
robertjerl wrote:
Well, my images are from 80D and 5DIV.


Don’t both have AA filters?

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