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Feb 13, 2019 11:38:45   #
lloydl2 Loc: Gilbert, AZ
 
bsprague wrote:
This morning I got a Lightroom Classic update notice. It goes from 8.1 to 8.2 Other than the usual new cameras and fixes it has a new menu choice in the Photo menu. It is "Enhance Details".

It won't work on my machine because mine is still running Windows 1803. Adobe says I need 1809 "Fall Update".

Adobe describes this as, "Achieve crisp detail and improved color rendering in raw images that is powered by Adobe Sensei. Introduced in the February 2019 release of Lightroom Classic (version 8.2) and powered by Adobe Sensei, Enhance Details produces crisp detail, improved color rendering, more accurate renditions of edges, and fewer artifacts. Enhance Details is especially useful for making large prints, where fine details are more visible. This feature applies to raw mosaic files from cameras with Bayer sensors (Canon, Nikon, Sony, and others) and Fujifilm X-Trans sensors."

Anybody got the Windows Fall Update that can try this? Does it work?
This morning I got a Lightroom Classic update noti... (show quote)


I haven't tried it yet however I watched an extensive video on the feature offered by Ben Wilmore. He indicates that if your camera has an anti alias filter that this new feature will basically do nothing. The feature builds a dng file (quite large, about double your raw file size), requires a pretty hefty high memory video card to perform well and that the improved detail would be most noticeable deeper into your scene and less so where the focus is crisp in the foreground elements. Based on this video I suspect most of us will have very little use for this feature...

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Feb 13, 2019 11:41:16   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Rich1939 wrote:
Whether or not he scripts his videos, he does know a lot about the Lightroom and Photoshop tools. You can learn a lot from him if you are able to see past the "trees" and pay attention to the "forest". I have learned many things from people who would never be considered articulate but they knew what they were doing and I paid attention to that, not their delivery


I'm sure you can learn from him. Whether it's thorough or efficient learning is another thing. MANY people in the business world have no patience whatsoever for meanderers. I would have been fired if my videos looked like his.

Here is a GREAT example of a scripted and well-edited video (2,893,919 views) that wastes little time, and is nothing but pure, detailed, clear instruction:

https://youtu.be/Q3RCdrh666w

Since I own two of those cars (mine are 2009s), I have this video bookmarked. One of them has 165,000 miles, and the other one has 180,000 miles, so I will probably need to change the hybrid batteries in them to keep my twins on the road during college. $1500, a few new tools, and a few hours' work is better than another used car payment or lack of transportation. This guy made it doable!

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Feb 13, 2019 11:50:41   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
burkphoto wrote:
I'm sure you can learn from him. Whether it's thorough or efficient learning is another thing. MANY people in the business world have no patience whatsoever for meanderers. I would have been fired if my videos looked like his.

Here is a GREAT example of a scripted and well-edited video (2,893,919 views) that wastes little time, and is nothing but pure, detailed, clear instruction:

https://youtu.be/Q3RCdrh666w

Since I own two of those cars (mine are 2009s), I have this video bookmarked. One of them has 165,000 miles, and the other one has 180,000 miles, so I will probably need to change the hybrid batteries in them to keep my twins on the road during college. $1500, a few new tools, and a few hours' work is better than another used car payment or lack of transportation. This guy made it doable!
I'm sure you can learn from him. Whether it's thor... (show quote)


Please note, you can view most (if not all) of his videos for $0.00. If I have to put up with 'meandering' to learn how to use a tool, it's a damn fine value.

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Feb 13, 2019 11:52:15   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bsprague wrote:
Gene,

My image of you is that you are on the forward edge of this technology stuff. Windows 7 ???


This update/upgrade (?) works fine on my Late 2013 iMac with 16GB RAM and 2TB SSD and Intel Iris Pro 1536 MB on-board graphics. It took about three minutes to render the enhanced DNG of a 60"x40" @ 300 PPI (30x20-inch) image.

As someone else mentioned, it works better if the source camera has NO anti-aliasing filter. However, I can see a small improvement in my test image from a camera WITH AA filter that was totally worth three minutes.

It does pay to keep your system software up to date. Do it for security reasons, if nothing else. Microsoft and Apple tend to release updates on Patch Tuesdays. Microsoft's Patch Tuesday occurs on the second, and sometimes fourth, Tuesday of each month in North America. Apple's Patch Tuesday is usually the third Tuesday of each month in North America.

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Feb 13, 2019 12:04:58   #
lsimpkins Loc: SE Pennsylvania
 
burkphoto wrote:

Here is a GREAT example of a scripted and well-edited video (2,893,919 views) that wastes little time, and is nothing but pure, detailed, clear instruction:

https://youtu.be/Q3RCdrh666w

I hate to quibble, but the time he spent on telling you how much he paid for the car, what shape it was in, and how he came to own it has nothing to do with the stated purpose of the video - how to replace the battery pack.

Matt K. did ramble in his video on the new "Detail Enhancement" feature, but that would seem to reflect more on his opinion of its' usefulness than on his normal delivery style.

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Feb 13, 2019 12:45:02   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Whether he rambles or not, I have two courses I paid him for. (Both were at discounted prices). The first is about using Photoshop as a Lightroom users. It aims at helping you learn when to "Edit in Photoshop". The other is about enhancing light in Lightroom alone. I like both. They appear to be scripted with provided outlines.

One thing I like is that is courses are MP4 videos you put on your machine. That means you can use a tablet or laptop and watch when traveling or stuck waiting for something. It beats watching the weather channel in an airport waiting room!

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Feb 13, 2019 12:55:04   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
burkphoto wrote:
Good trainers SCRIPT their videos. They don’t do talking head scenes. They narrate detailed visuals of what they are teaching or instructing. Then they edit the visuals tightly to the script. That maintains attention, improves retention, and improves the likelihood you will be able to perform the tasks!


I have 34 years as a classroom teacher and in this video at least he just seems to be rambling, partial thoughts and repeating things just to fill unorganized time for much of the video I watched. To me it was almost mentally painful to watch.
In teaching we call it a lesson plan. Generally it goes "tell them what you going to teach" (very brief), then in a structured lesson/lecture/demonstration in a logical sequence give all the necessary material and finally a summary where you remind them what you taught (brief). And yes I often used a script either in the form of an outline when there were a lot of facts to give or 3x5 note cards. And since I was in the same room with my students I also gave out study guides and relevant materials as handouts. Plus they had their text books (many of which are very bad and full of errors at the Jr and Sr High level*) with my study guides keyed to the book, often with corrections to errors in the book.

*One review of some new textbooks published in the American Federation of Teachers quarterly magazine the Ivy League professor writing it said something like "If they tried to sell my university a textbook this bad they would never sell another book to us."

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Feb 13, 2019 13:00:02   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Rich1939 wrote:
Whether or not he scripts his videos, he does know a lot about the Lightroom and Photoshop tools. You can learn a lot from him if you are able to see past the "trees" and pay attention to the "forest". I have learned many things from people who would never be considered articulate but they knew what they were doing and I paid attention to that, not their delivery


Some of the greatest experts couldn't teach to save their lives. Some just have a talent for teaching but are not the top of their field - their students often surpass them in the actual field. Most are somewhere in the middle. I have seen and read about teams where an expert is paired with a great teacher and when they "click" the result is more than the sum of the parts.

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Feb 13, 2019 13:01:01   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
robertjerl wrote:
I have 34 years as a classroom teacher and in this video at least he just seems to be rambling, partial thoughts and repeating things just to fill unorganized time for much of the video I watched. To me it was almost mentally painful to watch.
In teaching we call it a lesson plan. Generally it goes "tell them what you going to teach" (very brief), then in a structured lesson/lecture/demonstration in a logical sequence give all the necessary material and finally a summary where you remind them what you taught (brief). And yes I often used a script either in the form of an outline when there were a lot of facts to give or 3x5 note cards. And since I was in the same room with my students I also gave out study guides and relevant materials as handouts. Plus they had their text books (many of which are very bad and full of errors at the Jr and Sr High level*) with my study guides keyed to the book, often with corrections to errors in the book.

*One review of some new textbooks published in the American Federation of Teachers quarterly magazine the Ivy League professor writing it said something like "If they tried to sell my university a textbook this bad they would never sell another book to us."
I have 34 years as a classroom teacher and in this... (show quote)


It seems to me that rather than judging the usefulness of the video for its intended audience, you are judging the performance in a comparison with how you performed in the classroom.

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Feb 13, 2019 13:05:25   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
bsprague wrote:
"This time it completed but the image was all black."

Me too. There is a topic on Adobe's Lightroom forum suggesting that the black image might be common. Replies, so far, are about GPU drivers.


After my first "black frame" result I went to my video card manufacturers site and down loaded all the latest versions of everything for my card. Same results and it takes about 45 seconds to process one frame - to solid black. I also did the same for windows and Adobe CC.

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Feb 13, 2019 13:07:55   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
robertjerl wrote:
After my first "black frame" result I went to my video card manufacturers site and down loaded all the latest versions of everything for my card. Same results and it takes about 45 seconds to process one frame - to solid black. I also did the same for windows and Adobe CC.


I just read where some users are saying they were able to view the file in a 3rd party viewer. I'm going to give that a shot.

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Feb 13, 2019 13:08:41   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Rich1939 wrote:
It seems to me that rather than judging the usefulness of the video for its intended audience, you are judging the performance in a comparison with how you performed in the classroom.

A poor lesson, poorly presented is not very useful and leaves a lot of confused students. Now if someone is already fairly knowledgeable in the subject they can work through a poor presentation to learn something. But why should a lesson/technique be presented that way to begin with?

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Feb 13, 2019 13:10:56   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Rich1939 wrote:
I just read where some users are saying they were able to view the file in a 3rd party viewer. I'm going to give that a shot.


Did they mention which one?

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Feb 13, 2019 13:11:23   #
SpyderJan Loc: New Smyrna Beach. FL
 
bsprague wrote:
This morning I got a Lightroom Classic update notice. It goes from 8.1 to 8.2 Other than the usual new cameras and fixes it has a new menu choice in the Photo menu. It is "Enhance Details".

It won't work on my machine because mine is still running Windows 1803. Adobe says I need 1809 "Fall Update".

Adobe describes this as, "Achieve crisp detail and improved color rendering in raw images that is powered by Adobe Sensei. Introduced in the February 2019 release of Lightroom Classic (version 8.2) and powered by Adobe Sensei, Enhance Details produces crisp detail, improved color rendering, more accurate renditions of edges, and fewer artifacts. Enhance Details is especially useful for making large prints, where fine details are more visible. This feature applies to raw mosaic files from cameras with Bayer sensors (Canon, Nikon, Sony, and others) and Fujifilm X-Trans sensors."

Anybody got the Windows Fall Update that can try this? Does it work?
This morning I got a Lightroom Classic update noti... (show quote)


I updated my Windows just so I could try this, but it wouldn't work with either .jpg or .png files. I have yet to find out what file format it does work with.

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Feb 13, 2019 13:19:42   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
robertjerl wrote:
Did they mention which one?


No, but I figured it would be a .dng and those are viewable. Only problem with that,when I went to save the black .dng Adobe said it couldn't save it because of a program error.
I'm walking away from this until the gremlins are excised

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