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Feb 11, 2019 13:26:17   #
Chris T (a regular here)
 
Quote: "The Pentax K-70 is a 24 megapixel compact APS-C digital SLR camera announced by Ricoh on June 8, 2016. In contrast to the previously introduced APS-C flagship K-3 II, it includes a flash, flip-out display and built-in Wi-Fi. In common with that camera, the K-70 is capable of Pixel Shift Resolution images, which provide higher color resolution and require the camera to be stationary. It is the first Pentax camera to also include on-sensor PDAF elements that support hybrid autofocus, enabling continuous autofocus during video capture. Like its predecessors K-50 and K-S2, the Pentax K-70 is weather-sealed. Its price level and general features identify it as an upper entry level camera. In contrast to the flagship model, it lacks the second display and second memory card slot. It also uses a lower-specified imaging chip, the PRIME MII, but combines it with "a newly developed accelerator unit". As a Pentax APS-C first, a sensitivity of ISO 102,400 is available, and as a Pentax entry-level first, the camera features 14 bit sensor read-out."

Wow!!! ... And I mean - double-Wow!!! ... This should give the Canon EOS 77D a run for the money, eh? comments? ...

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Feb 11, 2019 22:15:58   #
rehess
 
Chris T wrote:
Quote: "The Pentax K-70 is a 24 megapixel compact APS-C digital SLR camera announced by Ricoh on June 8, 2016. In contrast to the previously introduced APS-C flagship K-3 II, it includes a flash, flip-out display and built-in Wi-Fi. In common with that camera, the K-70 is capable of Pixel Shift Resolution images, which provide higher color resolution and require the camera to be stationary. It is the first Pentax camera to also include on-sensor PDAF elements that support hybrid autofocus, enabling continuous autofocus during video capture. Like its predecessors K-50 and K-S2, the Pentax K-70 is weather-sealed. Its price level and general features identify it as an upper entry level camera. In contrast to the flagship model, it lacks the second display and second memory card slot. It also uses a lower-specified imaging chip, the PRIME MII, but combines it with "a newly developed accelerator unit". As a Pentax APS-C first, a sensitivity of ISO 102,400 is available, and as a Pentax entry-level first, the camera features 14 bit sensor read-out."

Wow!!! ... And I mean - double-Wow!!! ... This should give the Canon EOS 77D a run for the money, eh? comments? ...
Quote: "The Pentax K-70 is a 24 megapixel com... (show quote)
No, the Pentax K-70 is not the most overlooked APS-C camera on the planet.
The Pentax KP is the most overlooked APS-C camera on the planet.

Right now the K-70 is priced at $600 at B&H - the KP is $800.

The extra $200 provides
* prosumer construction instead of consumer construction
* better Auto Focus
* better Noise Reduction
* better processor
* quieter shutter
* available battery grip
* better IBIS
* better sensor clean function
* higher max ISO setting {kind of usable at that level}

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2017/02/10/pentax-kp-first-shots

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Feb 11, 2019 22:52:49   #
Chris T (a regular here)
 
rehess wrote:
No, the Pentax K-70 is not the most overlooked APS-C camera on the planet.
The Pentax KP is the most overlooked APS-C camera on the planet.

Right now the K-70 is priced at $600 at B&H - the KP is $800.

The extra $200 provides
* prosumer construction instead of consumer construction
* better Auto Focus
* better Noise Reduction
* better processor
* quieter shutter
* available battery grip
* better IBIS
* better sensor clean function
* higher max ISO setting {kind of usable at that level}

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2017/02/10/pentax-kp-first-shots
No, the Pentax K-70 is not the most overlooked APS... (show quote)


Of course you'd say that, RE - having just bought one ... er, you, and who else?

Thought it CAME with a grip, which can be changed - right?

But, listen, RE - the reason I posted this - is BECAUSE the K-70 ONLY costs $600.

The KP IS a couple hundred more, and it doesn't even offer a fully-articulating screen!!!

My understanding was - the IBIS was the same in BOTH cameras ...

How is it a better sensor-cleaner? ... What's different?

Yes, the high ISO is much extended on the KP, but, the K-70 is 102,400 - which is already higher than most other APS-C cameras out there - and for $200 LESS than the KP .... do you see?

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Feb 12, 2019 00:21:58   #
rehess
 
Chris T wrote:
Of course you'd say that, RE - having just bought one ... er, you, and who else?

Thought it CAME with a grip, which can be changed - right?

But, listen, RE - the reason I posted this - is BECAUSE the K-70 ONLY costs $600.

The KP IS a couple hundred more, and it doesn't even offer a fully-articulating screen!!!

My understanding was - the IBIS was the same in BOTH cameras ...

How is it a better sensor-cleaner? ... What's different?

Yes, the high ISO is much extended on the KP, but, the K-70 is 102,400 - which is already higher than most other APS-C cameras out there - and for $200 LESS than the KP .... do you see?
Of course you'd say that, RE - having just bought ... (show quote)
$200 is not very much money - and for Black Friday, when I purchased it, Adorama and B&H had the KP for $700 {only $100 more than K-70}.

I think flippy screens are more practical than fully articulated screen {it keeps LCD directly behind camera body, so when taking discrete photo, subjects are less aware of it}.

KP IBIS is 5-axis, K-70 IBIS isn't

I'm talking about a battery grip, the kind of thing that contains extra batteries and attaches to the bottom of the camera body.

The K-70 vibrates its sensor at frequency person can hear to clean it, while the KP uses a more effective high-frequency "ultra-sonic" method.

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Feb 12, 2019 03:36:49   #
Chris T (a regular here)
 
rehess wrote:
$200 is not very much money - and for Black Friday, when I purchased it, Adorama and B&H had the KP for $700 {only $100 more than K-70}.

I think flippy screens are more practical than fully articulated screen {it keeps LCD directly behind camera body, so when taking discrete photo, subjects are less aware of it}.

KP IBIS is 5-axis, K-70 IBIS isn't

I'm talking about a battery grip, the kind of thing that contains extra batteries and attaches to the bottom of the camera body.

The K-70 vibrates its sensor at frequency person can hear to clean it, while the KP uses a more effective high-frequency "ultra-sonic" method.
$200 is not very much money - and for Black Friday... (show quote)


Well, RE - it's a matter of whether you want to have built-in protection for the LCD, or not. For me - I feel it's more practical to have a screen which can be twisted and turned to face the camera back, when not in use - which is ultimate protection. Plus, video works better with a screen which flips to the side. Not to mention the advantage of a Fully-Articulating Screen - in order to do Selfies. Try THAT with a FLIPPY!!!!

No, you're right - the K-70 doesn't have 5-way IBIS, but, I didn't think the KP did, either. But, I've now looked it up, and see you're right - which, definitely - makes it worth $200 more. Yes, I knew you wrote Battery Grip … my answer was to point out the KP comes WITH alternate grips - does it not, RE?

I'd no idea the auto-sensor-clean mechanism in the KP was ULTRASONIC, and - therefore - SILENT!!!

MY GOSH, RE … I think I'll call up and order one, right away ….

BTW - did they include the BATTERY GRIP with the camera, for that $700 you got it for, on Black Friday?

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Feb 12, 2019 08:59:39   #
BuckeyeBilly
 
Chris T wrote:
Quote: "The Pentax K-70 is a 24 megapixel compact APS-C digital SLR camera announced by Ricoh on June 8, 2016. In contrast to the previously introduced APS-C flagship K-3 II, it includes a flash, flip-out display and built-in Wi-Fi. In common with that camera, the K-70 is capable of Pixel Shift Resolution images, which provide higher color resolution and require the camera to be stationary. It is the first Pentax camera to also include on-sensor PDAF elements that support hybrid autofocus, enabling continuous autofocus during video capture. Like its predecessors K-50 and K-S2, the Pentax K-70 is weather-sealed. Its price level and general features identify it as an upper entry level camera. In contrast to the flagship model, it lacks the second display and second memory card slot. It also uses a lower-specified imaging chip, the PRIME MII, but combines it with "a newly developed accelerator unit". As a Pentax APS-C first, a sensitivity of ISO 102,400 is available, and as a Pentax entry-level first, the camera features 14 bit sensor read-out."

Wow!!! ... And I mean - double-Wow!!! ... This should give the Canon EOS 77D a run for the money, eh? comments? ...
Quote: "The Pentax K-70 is a 24 megapixel com... (show quote)

I would say that just about EVERYTHING Pentax makes gets overlooked more than any other camera make out there. Tis a shame, too. That faster shutter speed of 1/6000 second would make me sit up and do a double-take if I were into sports or other fast action photography.

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Feb 12, 2019 10:21:37   #
Ched49 (a regular here)
 
Exactly...Pentax does tend to get overlooked, everybody hears about what Canon, Nikon and Sony are doing. People don't realize you'll probably get more bang for your buck with Pentax.

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Feb 12, 2019 11:09:00   #
digit-up (a regular here)
 
Ched49 wrote:
Exactly...Pentax does tend to get overlooked, everybody hears about what Canon, Nikon and Sony are doing. People don't realize you'll probably get more bang for your buck with Pentax.


While we’re talking PENTAX, I would like to put in my 2 cents. While vacationing in Vietnam (courtesy of the U.S.tourism department of the military) in 68 &69, I bought one of the first “SLR” cameras ever made in Japan. A Pentax spotmatic. It was marvelous. I had it for over 20 years, but finally sold it to a fellow “SAILING pal”, in the late 90s. After a brief stint with CANON (also a great way to go) I went back to PENTAX. AND I’m lovin’ it... Right now I have quite an array of gear. So much in fact, I find that some of it has been IGNORED. Go to our sales department, cuz I’m listing my K-01 and my K-5 with a vertical grip. A prime example of why I continue to rave about PENTAX, is the fact that the Pentax K-1 full frame , is considerable less money for more camera, than many full frames out there. I love it, and Pentax glasss is as good as many, & better than some/ certainly ubiquitas and Omni-present. Same mount for years. RJM

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Feb 12, 2019 11:34:16   #
User ID (a regular here)
 
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We are truly in Pentax land here .... debating
over which Pentax wins the "Most Overlooked"
award. Hard to figger how Pentax fell into such
a state. Somebody stopped by the other day
with a Pentax FF outfit. Kinda big and clunky,
but it could walk on water and perform various
other miracles. And "big & clunky" is in no way
unique to Pentax anywho. His camera certainly
must be "Most Overlooked" among FF SLRs :-(

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Feb 12, 2019 13:14:13   #
lsaguy
 
I bought a used K20D from KEH for $175. Used it with the 35-80mm lens off the last Pentax film camera I bought. Then I found a Tamron 28-200mm lens (in UG condition) for $20. Works great. An Amazon basics bag for $30 and a lens cap for the Tamron $9.
Now the K20D is not the latest and greatest, nor is any other of this kit, but I've got a really nice and capable camera kit for less than $250!!!
Match that. :-}

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Feb 12, 2019 13:20:50   #
rehess
 
User ID wrote:
`

We are truly in Pentax land here .... debating
over which Pentax wins the "Most Overlooked"
award. Hard to figger how Pentax fell into such
a state. Somebody stopped by the other day
with a Pentax FF outfit. Kinda big and clunky,
but it could walk on water and perform various
other miracles. And "big & clunky" is in no way
unique to Pentax anywho. His camera certainly
must be "Most Overlooked" among FF SLRs :-(

.
` br br We are truly in Pentax land here ..... (show quote)
When I purchased my first Pentax SLR in 1979, they were a leading brand. I switched to Canon in 1995 because their EF-mount looked much better than what Pentax was using; I was still a Canon user when we transitioned from the film age to the digital age, but I understand Pentax didn't handle that very gracefully either; apparently Asahi Optical was taken over by Hoya, which then sold Pentax to Ricoh. I had issues with the reliability of Canon Rebels, and ended up switching back to Pentax in 2015 .... and by that time they had become the "do they still exist?" producer.

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Feb 12, 2019 13:34:42   #
dick ranez
 
Pentax could be a business school case study in how to ruin a company. I still use my Pentax Spotmatics, yes I have multiple ones, on a monthly basis along with a bag full of Takumar prime lenses. I even bought a digital Pentax so I could use those lenses. It's on the trash heap with "unknown errors" after three years. My local camera store "could order one for you" but doesn't stock Pentax anymore ("too hard to deal with"), the local Craigslist lists mainly old Spotmatics and a few M types, and it doesn't appear that Ricoh is seriously in the general photography business. Shame, because Pentax has a loyal user base - witness the comments above - and the brand doesn't deserve to die. On the other hand, I'd rather see them swiftly close it down rather than let it slowly bleed to death.

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Feb 12, 2019 13:39:19   #
Chris T (a regular here)
 
BuckeyeBilly wrote:
I would say that just about EVERYTHING Pentax makes gets overlooked more than any other camera make out there. Tis a shame, too. That faster shutter speed of 1/6000 second would make me sit up and do a double-take if I were into sports or other fast action photography.


Billy - not to mention the KP ALSO has an electronic shutter, delivering up to 1/24000th of a second!!!!

I suspect - it's because Ricoh doesn't advertise enough - which may have something to do with it ….

Canon - on the other hand - wherever you look, there's another poster for this or that ….

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Feb 12, 2019 13:42:01   #
Chris T (a regular here)
 
Ched49 wrote:
Exactly...Pentax does tend to get overlooked, everybody hears about what Canon, Nikon and Sony are doing. People don't realize you'll probably get more bang for your buck with Pentax.


Actually, Ched … I think you get TWO bangs for every buck, with a Pentax !!!!! …

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Feb 12, 2019 13:51:40   #
Chris T (a regular here)
 
digit-up wrote:
While we’re talking PENTAX, I would like to put in my 2 cents. While vacationing in Vietnam (courtesy of the U.S.tourism department of the military) in 68 &69, I bought one of the first “SLR” cameras ever made in Japan. A Pentax spotmatic. It was marvelous. I had it for over 20 years, but finally sold it to a fellow “SAILING pal”, in the late 90s. After a brief stint with CANON (also a great way to go) I went back to PENTAX. AND I’m lovin’ it... Right now I have quite an array of gear. So much in fact, I find that some of it has been IGNORED. Go to our sales department, cuz I’m listing my K-01 and my K-5 with a vertical grip. A prime example of why I continue to rave about PENTAX, is the fact that the Pentax K-1 full frame , is considerable less money for more camera, than many full frames out there. I love it, and Pentax glasss is as good as many, & better than some/ certainly ubiquitas and Omni-present. Same mount for years. RJM
While we’re talking PENTAX, I would like to put in... (show quote)


RJM - the K-1 - is actually one of the least expensive FF DSLRs out there. It's competetive with the Canon 6DMk.2 - at - virtually the same price point. But, it has 36MP as opposed to 26MP. The only other FF in the same ball-park is the 24MP D610 - which is about to be discontinued. The D750 is around there, too - but, again - it only has 24MP. The only other 36MP DSLR is the about-to-be discontinued D810. But, you can't buy a D810 anywhere NEAR as cheap as the K-1 !!!! ... It's a helluva deal - pricewise. Heavy, tho'!

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