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Feb 13, 2019 04:56:51   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
> In fact, growing seasons could be enhanced, increasing food production, helping eliminate starvation in poor countries. <
Yeah, um no. You need waay more CO2 to effectively change vegetation growth enough to make that much difference. You need to change the religious effect, and secularize their culture. What you have is the poor and the ignorant overly influenced by greedy blind faith religions. "Make more babies! Pay me tithes! Make your babies pay me too!" I just watched an infomercial from a local charity trotting out yet one more illegal on welfare bemoaning her lifestyle. 5 kids, 4 fathers, but God won't allow her to use any contraceptives. Welfare and Section8 don't cover enough: "Why aren't you people caring about these Christan Mothers?!?!" Please donate money, canned goods, clothes and blankets.

> One of the first things 3rd World countries need to do, is to pave roads, and that requires fossil fuels. < It don't have to be asphalt. The Romans did a lot of road building. I've lived and traveled on gravel roads. I've been in the South where roads were built up by bull dozing ditches. Flatten, gravel, multi ton roller, and a road is born.

> Heating will have to be done by either coal, or some other fossil fuel. The massive cost of infrastructure required to create green energy is completely prohibitive, even with foreign aid. <
Back to the Grid! Run a wire. LED lights, small efficient heat pumps, convection/microwave ovens, and the Internet will go a longer way to a more modern less stress life than shipping vast amounts of coal, oil and wood products. No natural gas lines, nor propane tanks. Done right, it's simple and cheap.

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Feb 13, 2019 05:07:58   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
George II wrote:
What prompted me to go with my Tesla was gasoline going to $3.00 a gallon...not the tax incentive, after 3 years of ownership I have had no regrets and as soon as a ev pickup truck hits the market I’m down with that as well..... Just sayin...”the G”

Spoiled brat! I live in LA,CA. IF I stand on my roof I'll see flare stacks from 4 different refineries. Gas don't get below $3/gal. Anything below $3.50 is cheap. Diesel? Add another quarter.

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Feb 13, 2019 09:04:27   #
davefales Loc: Virginia
 
rlv567 wrote:
The "absurd explanation" is not that the date input is fake, but that the choice of data input and how it is handled in the assembly and computational aspects (as determined by a few possibly agenda driven humans) directly controls the eventual output, which preposterously is called "pure science"!!! That which is undisputed science fact one year is just as indisputably considered bogus another!!! Again, garbage in, garbage out.

Loren - Baguio City


Another consideration is that governmental agencies have been "adjusting" historical data (well-documented.)

Possibly because the data did not match the model predictions?

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Feb 13, 2019 16:14:24   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
rlv567 wrote:
The "absurd explanation" is not that the date input is fake, but that the choice of data input and how it is handled in the assembly and computational aspects (as determined by a few possibly agenda driven humans) directly controls the eventual output, which preposterously is called "pure science"!!! That which is undisputed science fact one year is just as indisputably considered bogus another!!! Again, garbage in, garbage out.

Loren - Baguio City


Ther aren’t a “few” humans that control the input. If you look at the top 500 list link I posted, there are dozens of supercomputers all over the world dedicated to meteorlogical research in just the first 100. It beggars the imagination (although apparently not those of some of the posters here) that these thousands of researchers from Japan to India to the US all have a unified agenda to distort the analysis of the data. Do you really believe that? And if you do, please explain what motivation countries like India (who it has been argued have no interest in or ability to curb emissions) have in distorting the data.

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Feb 13, 2019 23:37:01   #
Mr Quark
 
How simplistic to think you can just hook up a wind mill or solar panel and bingo the grid has more power which you can get from a teat. You need to read the book "dumb Energy". If you are serious about this. Think about the wires necessary to hook up the panels and blades; the distance the weather etc... And then theres the cost. laced with subsidies. These green energy wonders aren't cheap; but the greenies are bound to make you think so. Read the book.....

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Feb 13, 2019 23:46:25   #
Mr Quark
 
Mr. TriX. awhile back you brought into the discussion "The Union Of Concerned Scientists" presumably as great source to back up your knowledge of how bad the climate is etc.....Well here is a source you might want. to investigate and see what you think about them scientists then.https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/145-union-of-concerned-scientists/

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Feb 14, 2019 09:40:05   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Mr Quark wrote:
Mr. TriX. awhile back you brought into the discussion "The Union Of Concerned Scientists" presumably as great source to back up your knowledge of how bad the climate is etc.....Well here is a source you might want. to investigate and see what you think about them scientists then.https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/145-union-of-concerned-scientists/


Mr. Quark, I simply picked the first of hundreds of references I Googled that made the point, and I in no way endorse or recommend The Union of Concerned Scientists, BUT throughout the last half-a-dozen posts, I have repeatedly suggested going directly to the sources such as NOAA, NCDC, NCAR, NASA and seeing the data for yourself rather than take ANYONE’s interpretation of it, and I do recommend that. Have you looked at the data from any of those sources before reaching a conclusion?

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Feb 15, 2019 16:03:34   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
Mr Quark wrote:
How simplistic to think you can just hook up a wind mill or solar panel and bingo the grid has more power which you can get from a teat. You need to read the book "dumb Energy". If you are serious about this. Think about the wires necessary to hook up the panels and blades; the distance the weather etc... And then theres the cost. laced with subsidies. These green energy wonders aren't cheap; but the greenies are bound to make you think so. Read the book.....

It's all incremental. Solar panels on the roof take the peaks off hot day energy use when all the ACs are on. I don't have to supply the whole grid, or supply it at all. For a minimal cost DIY project I might cut my usage in half, and charge a few gel cell marine batteries to make sure my LED lights always work. I don't need anything, really, to just plug in the car to the teat in the wall- and it don't care who makes the juice. How much energy did it take to make that 8 to 10 gallons of gas that I'm not using this week? BTW, check out all the subsidies given to Corps like Exxon/Mobil/Chevron; in tax breaks, rebates, charge offs, research grants and drilling investments.

Want to help? Reduce. Electric stove? The big elements are @ 2500 watts, the smallies @ 1500, and 5 minutes in a 1000 watt microwave can cut 15 to 20 minutes off the range. Or off the oven. Raise the AC and lower the heating thermostats @ 5 degrees. Put a blanket and a timer on your water heater (15 -20% of the bill)- mine only needs to make (120 degree) hot water a couple hours a day. Get a surge protector, or a smart or switched outlet to operate your TV, DVD, etc. Turn the whole mess off. Your cable box alone uses 30 to 50 watts when it's *off*. The same with your computer (screen, printer, PC on standby mode- and you're gone for the day? Sleep at night? Lighting is only @ 10%- that said I like LEDs. I use 75watt equivs (12 watt energy) to replace the old 40 tp 60 watt regulars. Your fridge is @ 20%- when it's clean. Clean the coils once a year, and check underneath, also. There may be more coils, greasy dust bunnies and a fan down there.

BTW, the book is a joke. It reads like Ed Anger (Weekly World News) worst case ranting. And yes, I'm @ 70. I remember doctors selling Chesterfields. And the gnomes telling Congress smoking is safe, and maybe good for you. I remember the Red team investing HUUUGE amounts of taxpayer money to GM to make a prototype electric Chevy that didn't work. I remember "The solution to pollution is dilution!" And I remember when the symbol for American prosperity and success was a trio of billowing smokestacks. We're being had. We have been being had. There will always be Vichy. Norman is just preaching to the rabble listening to the choir that these guys own.

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Feb 15, 2019 16:37:37   #
Mr Quark
 
Your book review is tantalizing ; doesn't really say you read and digested the whole book of 135 pages. You're just a youngster not doing his homework.......

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