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Optical Viewfinder (OVF) vs Electronic View Finder (EVF). Which is better?
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Feb 11, 2019 09:01:53   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Bill_de wrote:
Color balance or saturation - OVF no, EVF yes
White balance - OVF no, EVF yes


Aren't these two moot points when shooting RAW?

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NO. Not if you want the best starting point for working on your raw file.

If you nail JPEG parameters but record raw files, the raw file will be at a better starting point for conversion/adjustment (unless you’re using some version of EBTR with universal white balance).

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Feb 11, 2019 09:10:20   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
repleo wrote:
...from handling cameras in the store, it seems to me that the optical viewfinders on the low to midline DSLR's are really small.


They are small *and dim* — penta-mirror rather than pentaprism designs. If you have had corrective eye surgery, that may be a serious issue.

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Feb 11, 2019 09:18:39   #
BebuLamar
 
I don't like the EVF for only one reason. They are not high enough resolution to allow me to manually focus by judging the subject sharpness without using the magnifying or focus peaking feature. I can do that with the reflex finder.
I don't shoot things that move quickly so the lag isn't a problem for me. The high power consumption isn't a problem either as I like big camera and they can put a big battery in the camera.

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Feb 11, 2019 09:20:48   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I don't like the EVF for only one reason. They are not high enough resolution to allow me to manually focus by judging the subject sharpness without using the magnifying or focus peaking feature. I can do that with the reflex finder.
I don't shoot things that move quickly so the lag isn't a problem for me. The high power consumption isn't a problem either as I like big camera and they can put a big battery in the camera.


What was the last EVF you tried? The new ones in the Canon EOS R and the Nikon Z line as well as the last few Sony's are reported to be awesome.

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Feb 11, 2019 09:21:37   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
mas24 wrote:
I don't own a mirrorless camera. My Nikon DSLR has an optical viewfinder. Mirrorless cameras have electronic viewfinders. I have read on this forum, that some don't like the EVF. Especially, if you're accustomed to the OVF. Is one really better than the other?


I use both and don’t notice a difference!

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Feb 11, 2019 09:24:34   #
BebuLamar
 
dsmeltz wrote:
What was the last EVF you tried? The new ones in the Canon EOS R and the Nikon Z line as well as the last few Sony's are reported to be awesome.


I didn't have the chance to check out the Nikon Z. I was invited to the launch event but couldn't make it. I checked out the A7III but I still don't like it. It's much better than the older ones that I checked out like the Fuji XT-1 or the Olympus OMD-EM-1 first version.

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Feb 11, 2019 09:27:10   #
wmurnahan Loc: Bloomington IN
 
mas24 wrote:
I don't own a mirrorless camera. My Nikon DSLR has an optical viewfinder. Mirrorless cameras have electronic viewfinders. I have read on this forum, that some don't like the EVF. Especially, if you're accustomed to the OVF. Is one really better than the other?


There are pluses and minuses. Coming from film SLR, I do find tracking better with optic, but for most other shooting I like my new mirrorless and seeing the picture the way it will look.

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Feb 11, 2019 09:29:57   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
burkphoto wrote:
NO. Not if you want the best starting point for working on your raw file.

If you nail JPEG parameters but record raw files, the raw file will be at a better starting point for conversion/adjustment (unless you’re using some version of EBTR with universal white balance).


Thanks. I thought Adobe ACR ignores the camera settings and opens the files with the software's default settings.

I appreciate the response.

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Feb 11, 2019 09:34:24   #
Ed Chu Loc: Las Vegas NV
 
could you explain this a little more? don't understand - the sensor does not record what the lens sees, in its entirety ?

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Feb 11, 2019 09:38:40   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Ed Chu wrote:
could you explain this a little more? don't understand - the sensor does not record what the lens sees, in its entirety ?


Try using "Quote Reply" so the person you are asking (as well as the rest of us) will know what you are referring to.

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Feb 11, 2019 09:40:39   #
Ed Chu Loc: Las Vegas NV
 
John_F wrote:
An EVF is fundamentally different from an OVF. The OVF shows you as much of a scene as the operating lenses angle of view permits. The EVF shows that portion of the scene that the sensor records. It is the goal of VF design to make those two scene portions equal. If you note a difference, chalk it up to the camera design.


could you please explain: the sensor does not record the entire view of the lens ?

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Feb 11, 2019 09:41:47   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bill_de wrote:
Thanks. I thought Adobe ACR ignores the camera settings and opens the files with the software's default settings.

I appreciate the response.

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My experience has been is that there is nothing better than a properly exposed image at the start, you have fewer artifacts that are caused in correction. Speaking for myself my best images are those that I never have to touch with ACR, and only use photoshop possibly for a little sharpening and cropping. A big advantage of the EVF is seeing exposure in the viewfinder. With time I am sure that EVF's will continue to improve.

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Feb 11, 2019 09:46:27   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
My experience has been is that there is nothing better than a properly exposed image at the start, you have fewer artifacts that are caused in correction. Speaking for myself my best images are those that I never have to touch with ACR, and only use photoshop possibly for a little sharpening and cropping. A big advantage of the EVF is seeing exposure in the viewfinder. With time I am sure that EVF's will continue to improve.


Not shooting RAW?

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Feb 11, 2019 09:47:54   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Ed Chu wrote:
could you please explain: the sensor does not record the entire view of the lens ?


The sensor records the light coming in subject to the settings you have chosen. An EVF shows that information. An OVF shows the light coming to your eye through a more direct route. Example. in low light the EVF will amplify the image you can see based on the ISO you select, while the OVF will show no more than you can see with the naked eye, no ISO applied. As a result, in low light, the OVF may show nearly nothing while the EVF will show what your setting will pull from the available light.

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Feb 11, 2019 09:49:24   #
Ed Chu Loc: Las Vegas NV
 
well said; thank you

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