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Jan 31, 2019 15:48:08   #
KiheiVillages
 
Anyone who thinks of themselves as an Artist, should get to know their Craft.
Sometimes the inexperienced consider a craftsman being the lesser.
Knowing how to expand the use of your tools, in ways others don't, or...
Knowing tricks of the trade, usually discovered by another craftsman's teaching,
these sorts of things have separated one's who just consider themselves artists,
with those who are artists who know their craft.
Of course, this applies to metal work, fine carpentry, pottery, painting, music, literature, etc. etc.
Oh, and photography.

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Jan 31, 2019 16:02:46   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
Why do we consider artistry and craftmanship different? Craftsmanship is the process to achieve the result of artistry. Every artistic endeavor requires the learning of craftmanship.

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Jan 31, 2019 16:13:10   #
srt101fan
 
KiheiVillages wrote:
Anyone who thinks of themselves as an Artist, should get to know their Craft.
Sometimes the inexperienced consider a craftsman being the lesser.
Knowing how to expand the use of your tools, in ways others don't, or...
Knowing tricks of the trade, usually discovered by another craftsman's teaching,
these sorts of things have separated one's who just consider themselves artists,
with those who are artists who know their craft.
Of course, this applies to metal work, fine carpentry, pottery, painting, music, literature, etc. etc.
Oh, and photography.
Anyone who thinks of themselves as an Artist, shou... (show quote)


I don't think you can be a good artist without being a good craftsman (i.e., you have to learn your craft, whatever it is)

You can be a good craftsman and not be an artist....

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Jan 31, 2019 16:18:22   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
KiheiVillages wrote:
Anyone who thinks of themselves as an Artist, should get to know their Craft.
Sometimes the inexperienced consider a craftsman being the lesser.
Knowing how to expand the use of your tools, in ways others don't, or...
Knowing tricks of the trade, usually discovered by another craftsman's teaching,
these sorts of things have separated one's who just consider themselves artists,
with those who are artists who know their craft.
Of course, this applies to metal work, fine carpentry, pottery, painting, music, literature, etc. etc.
Oh, and photography.
Anyone who thinks of themselves as an Artist, shou... (show quote)


I would think the two terms go together. Like at the other end, "Dabbler" and "Amateur" or "Learner" and "Student".

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Jan 31, 2019 16:21:47   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
It used to be called apprenticeship. It was offered by trade unions, or a young man could apprentice himself to a cabinet maker, or a blacksmith. When you finished your apprenticeship you became a journeyman, a person recognized as skilled in his trade. As you worked with tradesmen who were better than you and improved your skills you became recognized as a Master.

This is over simplified and maybe a little inaccurate but it describes the general way a person progressed through the trades. Anyone who has had the honor of working with a Master Tradesman is truly blessed. Can you imagine being able to apprentice yourself to someone like John Coltrane, Ernest Hemmingway or Ansel Adams?

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Jan 31, 2019 19:08:52   #
LarryFB Loc: Depends where our RV is parked
 
KiheiVillages wrote:
Anyone who thinks of themselves as an Artist, should get to know their Craft.
Sometimes the inexperienced consider a craftsman being the lesser.
Knowing how to expand the use of your tools, in ways others don't, or...
Knowing tricks of the trade, usually discovered by another craftsman's teaching,
these sorts of things have separated one's who just consider themselves artists,
with those who are artists who know their craft.
Of course, this applies to metal work, fine carpentry, pottery, painting, music, literature, etc. etc.
Oh, and photography.
Anyone who thinks of themselves as an Artist, shou... (show quote)


OK, consider Ansel Adams! Was he an artist or a craftsman? Certainly, his eye for a good subject, and composition would probably fall into the artist area. However, his knowledge and capability for exposure, and his darkroom capability (both film development and printing) would add the craftsman moniker! So I guess I would consider him an artist who knew his craft.

Frankly, I don't care if you consider him an artist, a craftsman, a talented photographer, or something else. I doesn't matter! He produced many fantastic photographs!

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Jan 31, 2019 20:09:07   #
KiheiVillages
 
This thread was started to give my point of view of photographer's who fancy themselves artists, and who believe the path to that, is purchasing expensive gear.
i.e. "I'm an artist. I am going to be a professional photographer. I am going to buy the best camera gear, end of story!"
I am new to this forum, and certain this must've been covered many times.
But wondered if the artist/craftsman ( I consider craftsman to be any gender ),
was considered. Because they go hand in hand.

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Feb 1, 2019 06:36:08   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
"Technique is the gauge of an artist's sincerity."
~Ezra Pound

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Feb 1, 2019 07:05:29   #
erickter Loc: Dallas,TX
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
It used to be called apprenticeship. It was offered by trade unions, or a young man could apprentice himself to a cabinet maker, or a blacksmith. When you finished your apprenticeship you became a journeyman, a person recognized as skilled in his trade. As you worked with tradesmen who were better than you and improved your skills you became recognized as a Master.

This is over simplified and maybe a little inaccurate but it describes the general way a person progressed through the trades. Anyone who has had the honor of working with a Master Tradesman is truly blessed. Can you imagine being able to apprentice yourself to someone like John Coltrane, Ernest Hemmingway or Ansel Adams?
It used to be called apprenticeship. It was offere... (show quote)


Or Apprentice to Sabicas or Paco deLucia; masters of flamenco.

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Feb 1, 2019 07:15:42   #
Flickwet Loc: NEOhio
 
KiheiVillages wrote:
This thread was started to give my point of view of photographer's who fancy themselves artists, and who believe the path to that, is purchasing expensive gear.
i.e. "I'm an artist. I am going to be a professional photographer. I am going to buy the best camera gear, end of story!"
I am new to this forum, and certain this must've been covered many times.
But wondered if the artist/craftsman ( I consider craftsman to be any gender ),
was considered. Because they go hand in hand.
This thread was started to give my point of view o... (show quote)

Oh so this is trolling...

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Feb 1, 2019 07:34:32   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
The craft of photography may rise to art in the right hands.
KiheiVillages wrote:
Anyone who thinks of themselves as an Artist, should get to know their Craft.
Sometimes the inexperienced consider a craftsman being the lesser.
Knowing how to expand the use of your tools, in ways others don't, or...
Knowing tricks of the trade, usually discovered by another craftsman's teaching,
these sorts of things have separated one's who just consider themselves artists,
with those who are artists who know their craft.
Of course, this applies to metal work, fine carpentry, pottery, painting, music, literature, etc. etc.
Oh, and photography.
Anyone who thinks of themselves as an Artist, shou... (show quote)

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Feb 1, 2019 07:46:57   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
KiheiVillages wrote:
Anyone who thinks of themselves as an Artist, should get to know their Craft.
Sometimes the inexperienced consider a craftsman being the lesser.
Knowing how to expand the use of your tools, in ways others don't, or...
Knowing tricks of the trade, usually discovered by another craftsman's teaching,
these sorts of things have separated one's who just consider themselves artists,
with those who are artists who know their craft.
Of course, this applies to metal work, fine carpentry, pottery, painting, music, literature, etc. etc.
Oh, and photography.
Anyone who thinks of themselves as an Artist, shou... (show quote)


An artist can also be a photographer. That would be in addition to his talent as an artist. A photographer is a photographer. His end result is a picture that has been manipulated through various software programs. The end result is an electronic rendition of what the photographer wants to put forth. He can call it art but it is a picture.

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Feb 1, 2019 08:11:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I think craftsmanship comes first. Artistry may follow - or it may not. You can't begin to be successful at anything if you can't operate the basic equipment. When you reach a certain level of proficiency, you can get "artistic."

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Feb 1, 2019 08:40:32   #
ELNikkor
 
My eye knew the art of photography long before I learned the craft; learning the craft greatly enhanced the art...

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Feb 1, 2019 08:43:15   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
srt101fan wrote:
I don't think you can be a good artist without being a good craftsman (i.e., you have to learn your craft, whatever it is)

You can be a good craftsman and not be an artist....




A master craftsman knows the rules and tools of the trade and can choose and use the right tools to get a job done.

The artist is a master craftsman who knows how to break the rules and use the tools in new and exciting ways.

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