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Jan 30, 2019 14:37:19   #
SteveR Loc: Dallas
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Agree. There are a number of reasons why some posts use poorly constructed language. Often it is because English is a second language for the writer. Sometimes it's because the writer wants to quickly express his ideas and doesn't want to spend the time editing or correcting typos, and sometimes people just have poor grammar and writing skills. None of that is important to me unless the meaning of a post is jumbled or incomprehensible. In that case I try to parrot back the message I think the poster is trying to express. There is never a need to be nasty or critical of others because of their writing ability.

Sometimes if a poster consistently misspells a key technical term like like "apature" instead of "aperture", I may correct them gently in the same way I would correct any misstatement of facts. But generally I ignore grammar and spelling issues if the meaning of a post is clear. I don't see it as my job to teach others how to "rite and spel"
Agree. There are a number of reasons why some post... (show quote)


My Grandparents are an example. They emigrated from Italy in 1910 and 1911. My Grandfather first worked on the railroads, then in the coal mines before moving to Dearborn around 1941 to work for Ford. They were proud to be Americans and always spoke English in the home....but it was not perfect English. My Grandmother even read Greek mythology. One of my cherished possessions is an envelope from Christmas which contained a couple of dollars. My name was written in cursive as Stifi. It's wonderful because it is "her." "Steve" wouldn't quite be the same.

My Grandfather didn't get upset often. Usually when losing at either solitaire or pinochle at which time he could let out with what we all knew was an expletive laden burst of Italian as he threw the cards down on the table.

They were wonderful people who raised a wonderful family.

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Jan 30, 2019 14:50:44   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
SteveR wrote:
My Grandparents are an example. They emigrated from Italy in 1910 and 1911. My Grandfather first worked on the railroads, then in the coal mines before moving to Dearborn around 1941 to work for Ford. They were proud to be Americans and always spoke English in the home....but it was not perfect English. My Grandmother even read Greek mythology. One of my cherished possession is an envelope from Christmas which contained a couple of dollars. My name was written in cursive as Stifi. It's wonderful because it is "her." "Steve" wouldn't quite be the same.

My Grandfather didn't get upset often. Usually when losing at either solitaire or pinochle at which time he could let out with what we all knew was an expletive laden burst of Italian as he threw the cards down on the table.

They were wonderful people who raised a wonderful family.
My Grandparents are an example. They emigrated fr... (show quote)

I think the problem with many posts pointing out grammar or spelling issues is that the intention is to be condescending and critical rather than helpful.

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Jan 30, 2019 15:22:55   #
SteveR Loc: Dallas
 
mwsilvers wrote:
I think the problem with many posts pointing out grammar or spelling issues is that the intention is to be condescending and critical rather than helpful.


Years ago there was a rather infamous and tremendously heated discussion on Chit-Chat that went on forever on this very topic.

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Jan 30, 2019 15:47:58   #
bobburk3 Loc: Maryland
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Agree. There are a number of reasons why some posts use poorly constructed language. Often it is because English is a second language for the writer. Sometimes it's because the writer wants to quickly express his ideas and doesn't want to spend the time editing or correcting typos, and sometimes people just have poor grammar and writing skills. None of that is important to me unless the meaning of a post is jumbled or incomprehensible. In that case I try to parrot back the message I think the poster is trying to express. There is never a need to be nasty or critical of others because of their writing ability.

Sometimes if a poster consistently misspells a key technical term like "apature" instead of "aperture", I may correct them gently in the same way I would correct any misstatement of facts. But generally I ignore grammar and spelling issues if the meaning of a post is clear. I don't see it as my job to teach others how to "rite and spel"
Agree. There are a number of reasons why some post... (show quote)



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Jan 31, 2019 06:39:51   #
lqm854
 
I don't see what would storage of digital media should be an issue this days, when you can buy 2T (tetra=1000GB) are worth about $49.00. I come from the IT word and remember paying $60,000.00 for 10GB, so I as well as the new comers have lost respect for storage space cost at todays prices. At that price 1GB comes out to $.0000000245 and it gets cheaper as you buy more.

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Jan 31, 2019 06:43:49   #
lqm854
 
I don't see what would storage of digital media should be an issue this days, when you can buy 2T (tetra=1000GB) are worth about $49.00. I come from the IT word and remember paying $60,000.00 for 10GB, so I as well as the new comers have lost respect for storage space cost at todays prices. At that price 1GB comes out to $.0000000245 and it gets cheaper as you buy more. Sorry I can't believe I just did this. I posted the same reply twice, coming from the IT world (HaHaHa) and now I can't even delete the duplicate. Embarrassing ops.

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Jan 31, 2019 07:53:24   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Agree. There are a number of reasons why some posts use poorly constructed language. Often it is because English is a second language for the writer. Sometimes it's because the writer wants to quickly express his ideas and doesn't want to spend the time editing or correcting typos, and sometimes people just have poor grammar and writing skills. None of that is important to me unless the meaning of a post is jumbled or incomprehensible. In that case I try to parrot back the message I think the poster is trying to express. There is never a need to be nasty or critical of others because of their writing ability.

Sometimes if a poster consistently misspells a key technical term like "apature" instead of "aperture", I may correct them gently in the same way I would correct any misstatement of facts. But generally I ignore grammar and spelling issues if the meaning of a post is clear. I don't see it as my job to teach others how to "rite and spel"
Agree. There are a number of reasons why some post... (show quote)

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Jan 31, 2019 08:51:00   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
SteveR wrote:
My Grandparents are an example. They emigrated from Italy in 1910 and 1911. My Grandfather first worked on the railroads, then in the coal mines before moving to Dearborn around 1941 to work for Ford. They were proud to be Americans and always spoke English in the home....but it was not perfect English. My Grandmother even read Greek mythology. One of my cherished possessions is an envelope from Christmas which contained a couple of dollars. My name was written in cursive as Stifi. It's wonderful because it is "her." "Steve" wouldn't quite be the same.

My Grandfather didn't get upset often. Usually when losing at either solitaire or pinochle at which time he could let out with what we all knew was an expletive laden burst of Italian as he threw the cards down on the table.

They were wonderful people who raised a wonderful family.
My Grandparents are an example. They emigrated fr... (show quote)


Great story. Your grandparents got out of Italy, before a well known Tyrant, Benito Mussolini, became dictator, in that next decade. I go to a local Sicilian restaurant. Their grandparents left Sicily and immigrated to America, after WW2 was over. The whole family went to Palermo about 2 years ago for a vacation.

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Jan 31, 2019 09:09:30   #
bsmith52 Loc: Alabama
 
Bill_de wrote:
That's why he is a photographer and not a writer.

When Moose Peterson started his Newsletter years ago people constantly responded by complaining about spelling and grammatical errors. His response was basically if you don't like it, go elsewhere. Years later he is still a Nikon Ambassador, so I guess his photography is appreciated.

If someone here feels compelled to criticize something that is not photography related, a private message might be more appropriate.

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Jan 31, 2019 09:12:37   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I would keep them forever. Has anyone from the past ever requested a reprint? If not, maybe keeping them isn't important. A line about how long you keep them could be included in your contract.

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Jan 31, 2019 09:54:16   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
If someone here feels compelled to criticize something that is not photography related, a private message might be more appropriate.
Perfect response and suggestion, Bill!! I try to follow that practice.
Thanks!
Mark


Bill_de wrote:
That's why he is a photographer and not a writer.

When Moose Peterson started his Newsletter years ago people constantly responded by complaining about spelling and grammatical errors. His response was basically if you don't like it, go elsewhere. Years later he is still a Nikon Ambassador, so I guess his photography is appreciated.

If someone here feels compelled to criticize something that is not photography related, a private message might be more appropriate.

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Jan 31, 2019 09:57:23   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Connecticut
 
You should save all your original files as long as you hold copyright to the images.

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Jan 31, 2019 10:01:58   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
lqm854 wrote:
I don't see what would storage of digital media should be an issue this days, when you can buy 2T (tetra=1000GB) are worth about $49.00. I come from the IT word and remember paying $60,000.00 for 10GB, so I as well as the new comers have lost respect for storage space cost at todays prices. At that price 1GB comes out to $.0000000245 and it gets cheaper as you buy more. Sorry I can't believe I just did this. I posted the same reply twice, coming from the IT world (HaHaHa) and now I can't even delete the duplicate. Embarrassing ops.
I don't see what would storage of digital media sh... (show quote)


In 1984, I had the original IBM PC and had to replace the 10 M HDD. I needed a technician and the whole thing cost $400. I wanted to double the clock from 3.77 Mhz. That required adding two boards and cost $1,700. Need I say I have no patience for people who complain about the cost of storage today.

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Jan 31, 2019 10:07:06   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Connecticut
 
abc1234 wrote:
In 1984, I had the original IBM PC and had to replace the 10 M HDD. I needed a technician and the whole thing cost $400. I wanted to double the clock from 3.77 Mhz. That required adding two boards and cost $1,700. Need I say I have no patience for people who complain about the cost of storage today.


About 1976 I had a Xerox minicomputer. It had 4K of memory. That's 4K, not 4M or 4G. We decided to double the memory. It cost $4000 for another 4K. We had plenty of tech resources so we could do the work ourselves.

(It was ferrite core memory).

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Jan 31, 2019 10:26:56   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
LU10IT wrote:
I'm a wedding photography in Daytona Beach Florida, My wife and I have been in business for over 10 years, how long is the general rule, legal or moral, should we hold onto the files.


I don't think it is a legal or moral question. It's more a matter of keeping them in case someone wants to reorder, and you could make some extra money. One order might pay for the storage.

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