I have no experience using a so-called "super telephoto" lens, so I could really use some help. I rented the Tamron 150-600g in order to shoot the lunar eclipse. I have found a site fairly devoid of light pollution- Pawnee Buttes National Grassland, located on the eastern plains of Colorado. Not great, but the forecast is for partly cloudy, unlike other preferable locations further south, which have mostly cloudy forecasts. Anyway: No risk, no reward.
Okay, on with my question: If I focus on the moon when it is rising using live view magnified and "tape lock" that focus, will the moon remain in sharp focus as it reaches the elevation of ~55 degrees for the total eclipse?
The problem is that I don't have a tall tripod and will have difficulty "scootching" low enough at 55 degrees to see the live view. Thanking everyone in advance for some expert advice.
The distance between you and them moon will remain constant. You should be focused at "infinity" the whole time.
These replies will be interesting to watch. How much closer than infinity is 240,000 miles? Focusing on the moon as its rising you will be about 2700 miles further from your subject than at the moment of exposure. During the exposure during the exposure the distance will shorten by 175 miles. Taking all of this into consideration, be careful when applying the tape, and dont forget to compensate for temperature change.
olemikey
Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
Hope you get a weather break for the shots, I did a few practice shots last night, had to wait till around 9:30 for the clouds and haze to clear. Don't have a lens of that caliber, but I'm going to see what I can get! My D7100 Auto focus worked with my 70-300 AF-P VR. I plan to use an old Sigma 400mm with extender, so that will be manual focus only. Good luck and don't freeze your tookas off!!!!!
>>dont forget to compensate for temperature change.<<
Not sure what this suggestion means. Please elaborate.
Bridges
Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
You said your tripod wasn't very tall -- I hope it is sturdy because the lens is fairly heavy. I would recommend manual focus and the distance will not change enough that if you focus well before the eclipse it will still be in focus. One problem you may encounter is wind. Even a slight breeze will effect that lens because it has a large surface (again a good argument for a sturdy pod). Once you are set, you should take the shot with mirror locked up unless you are using a mirrorless camera. A remote is also advised but in the absence of that, use the timer function on the camera. The moon is very bright so even with an ISO setting of 200 you would want to shoot around 125th of a sec. Since DOF is not a real factor, shoot in the range of 2 to 3 stops more stopped down from wide open. This is usually the sharpest a lens resolves. That lens at the high end is f6.3 so I would go to the f8 - f11 range. If you try to shoot at a higher ISO like 800 to increase shutter speed and lessen the movement, you will increase noise but depending on the camera that could be minimal and worth the trade off. You did not say if you have the version I or version II of that lens. Version I is very good up to 500mm but drops off a little as it approaches the 600mm setting (the reason they came out with VII). If it is version I, don't rack the lens out to the max., if version II you are ok at all focal lengths.
Bridges wrote:
You said your tripod wasn't very tall -- I hope it is sturdy because the lens is fairly heavy. I would recommend manual focus and the distance will not change enough that if you focus well before the eclipse it will still be in focus. One problem you may encounter is wind. Even a slight breeze will effect that lens because it has a large surface (again a good argument for a sturdy pod). Once you are set, you should take the shot with mirror locked up unless you are using a mirrorless camera. A remote is also advised but in the absence of that, use the timer function on the camera. The moon is very bright so even with an ISO setting of 200 you would want to shoot around 125th of a sec. Since DOF is not a real factor, shoot in the range of 2 to 3 stops more stopped down from wide open. This is usually the sharpest a lens resolves. That lens at the high end is f6.3 so I would go to the f8 - f11 range. If you try to shoot at a higher ISO like 800 to increase shutter speed and lessen the movement, you will increase noise but depending on the camera that could be minimal and worth the trade off. You did not say if you have the version I or version II of that lens. Version I is very good up to 500mm but drops off a little as it approaches the 600mm setting (the reason they came out with VII). If it is version I, don't rack the lens out to the max., if version II you are ok at all focal lengths.
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Thanks for taking the time to provide the detailed message. I will be using my D810 and the newer version of the Tamron 150-600. My best guess is to use f8 and an ISO of 800. What are your thoughts on f8 with an ISO of less than 800? Since I won't be concerned about the time between shots, I am thinking about using the in-camera noise reduction. Any thoughts or suggestions? I will use my mirror lockup and a cord connected remote. I have a full remote, but it isn't always reliable (probably operator error). I am considering focusing a tad under full rack-out just to be a little safer.
My tripod is an Induro with an older BHD2 head and the Tamron seems well balanced with a stable quick release that came with the rental (or the camera-not sure which) that works with the head. I just cleaned it and re-greased due to sand when it was blown over shooting a hand held in the Vermilion Cliffs. The wind forecast for tonight is light, ~7mph.
I have the 24-70E that I intend to use for some vertorama images, and also perhaps play around with those compositing the eclipse in PP with PS-CC.
Thanks again for your gracious and complete help!
Bridges wrote:
You said your tripod wasn't very tall -- I hope it is sturdy because the lens is fairly heavy. I would recommend manual focus and the distance will not change enough that if you focus well before the eclipse it will still be in focus. One problem you may encounter is wind. Even a slight breeze will effect that lens because it has a large surface (again a good argument for a sturdy pod). Once you are set, you should take the shot with mirror locked up unless you are using a mirrorless camera. A remote is also advised but in the absence of that, use the timer function on the camera. The moon is very bright so even with an ISO setting of 200 you would want to shoot around 125th of a sec. Since DOF is not a real factor, shoot in the range of 2 to 3 stops more stopped down from wide open. This is usually the sharpest a lens resolves. That lens at the high end is f6.3 so I would go to the f8 - f11 range. If you try to shoot at a higher ISO like 800 to increase shutter speed and lessen the movement, you will increase noise but depending on the camera that could be minimal and worth the trade off. You did not say if you have the version I or version II of that lens. Version I is very good up to 500mm but drops off a little as it approaches the 600mm setting (the reason they came out with VII). If it is version I, don't rack the lens out to the max., if version II you are ok at all focal lengths.
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I agree, as I own the G2 version and 600mm is very sharp If you have a very steady platform/tripod. I'm going to be on Galveston Island tonight with my Tamron, but I'll also use my trusty Canon EF 70-300 is USM, which treats me very well. Mirror lockup, remote 2-10 sec delay, manual focus, IS turned off and ISO 800-1200 is my starting point. Then play with exposure settings.
Bridges
Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
greymule wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to provide the detailed message. I will be using my D810 and the newer version of the Tamron 150-600. My best guess is to use f8 and an ISO of 800. What are your thoughts on f8 with an ISO of less than 800? Since I won't be concerned about the time between shots, I am thinking about using the in-camera noise reduction. Any thoughts or suggestions? I will use my mirror lockup and a cord connected remote. I have a full remote, but it isn't always reliable (probably operator error). I am considering focusing a tad under full rack-out just to be a little safer.
My tripod is an Induro with an older BHD2 head and the Tamron seems well balanced with a stable quick release that came with the rental (or the camera-not sure which) that works with the head. I just cleaned it and re-greased due to sand when it was blown over shooting a hand held in the Vermilion Cliffs. The wind forecast for tonight is light, ~7mph.
I have the 24-70E that I intend to use for some vertorama images, and also perhaps play around with those compositing the eclipse in PP with PS-CC.
Thanks again for your gracious and complete help!
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It looks like you have most bases covered. My biggest concern would be the brightness of the moon. A lot of people tend to over expose because, it is night -- right. The moon is usually over exposed because of that. I don't know how much time you will have between moon rise and the eclipse but if you have time, test the brightness with some test shots. Atmospheric conditions can make a stop or more difference in how bright the moon is. Also the moon at the horizon is viewed through much more atmosphere and pollution than when it is higher in the sky. If your location permits, a good second shot would be showing the moon looking like it is half the size of the earth. To do this you need to select a recognizable land feature like a monolith some 10 miles away. Focus on that if the moon is behind it at or near the horizon your moon will look huge.
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greymule wrote:
I have no experience using a so-called "super telephoto" lens, so I could really use some help. I rented the Tamron 150-600g in order to shoot the lunar eclipse. I have found a site fairly devoid of light pollution- Pawnee Buttes National Grassland, located on the eastern plains of Colorado. Not great, but the forecast is for partly cloudy, unlike other preferable locations further south, which have mostly cloudy forecasts. Anyway: No risk, no reward.
Okay, on with my question: If I focus on the moon when it is rising using live view magnified and "tape lock" that focus, will the moon remain in sharp focus as it reaches the elevation of ~55 degrees for the total eclipse?
The problem is that I don't have a tall tripod and will have difficulty "scootching" low enough at 55 degrees to see the live view. Thanking everyone in advance for some expert advice.
I have no experience using a so-called "super... (
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Shoot and focus on the moon at the time,were you like the moon to be, do not focus on it and then wait for it to be there, even though the focus will not change during that time. Use a fast enough shutter speed!
If the sky is clear, I'll be out with the D810 and 150-600 Sigma Sport. No tripod necessary!
No tripod necessary!.Spoken like a true wannabe pro.
greymule wrote:
I have no experience using a so-called "super telephoto" lens, so I could really use some help. I rented the Tamron 150-600g in order to shoot the lunar eclipse. I have found a site fairly devoid of light pollution- Pawnee Buttes National Grassland, located on the eastern plains of Colorado. Not great, but the forecast is for partly cloudy, unlike other preferable locations further south, which have mostly cloudy forecasts. Anyway: No risk, no reward.
Okay, on with my question: If I focus on the moon when it is rising using live view magnified and "tape lock" that focus, will the moon remain in sharp focus as it reaches the elevation of ~55 degrees for the total eclipse?
The problem is that I don't have a tall tripod and will have difficulty "scootching" low enough at 55 degrees to see the live view. Thanking everyone in advance for some expert advice.
I have no experience using a so-called "super... (
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To focus on the moon and then taping the lens so it doesn't change will likely work. Stars are a different story in that even the most microscopic change in focus will affect how stars look. Changes in the temperature of the lens is enough to affect stars. But the moon is a large object and not so difficult.
What is most important to understand is how dim the moon is during totality. As a case in point, here is the eclipse of Oct 8, 2014 which was taken with the original Tamron 150-600 on an APS-C sensor. This image was shot at ISO 1600, 1/4 sec and f8. (You can easily calculate other combinations from these settings -- for instance, ISO 1600, 1/16 sec, f4 would be the same) What I also found was that I had to keep adjusting the settings (mostly shutter speed) as the moon got deeper and deeper into the shadow until it reached totality. Since I was using a Sony A57 at the time, all I needed to do was adjust while observing on the LCD screen. Since it is WYSWYG, then whatever I saw on the LCD was exactly what the final result looked like.
I think you should also see in this image that all fine detail tends to go away in the dimmer light.
As for my chances of seeing it tonight, I just stepped outside where it is now sprinkling and the cloud cover dense enough that I couldn't exactly tell where the sun even was at. Guess my chances to see it tonight are slim to none.
wolfman wrote:
If the sky is clear, I'll be out with the D810 and 150-600 Sigma Sport. No tripod necessary!
Better rethink the "no tripod" approach. The moon is quite dim when in totality.
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