Boys confront Native American in D.C: Let's not be mistaken. Despite the fact that these boys were wearing Trump hats and had attended a rally to support life, their actions were...

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Let's not be mistaken. Despite the fact that these boys were wearing Trump hats and had attended a rally to support life, their actions were totally immature and disrespectful. Let's be plain about it. They were bullies and snots. Gotta wonder what kind of teaching they've been receiving at their school. As it turns out, the man was there to perform a ceremony for fellow Native Americans who had died in Vietnam....the kids should have honored him, not bullied him.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Kentucky-Diocese-Investigates-After-Students-Mock-Native-Americans-Indigenous-Peoples-March-DC-504597712.html

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

SteveR wrote:

Let's not be mistaken. Despite the fact that thes... (show quote)

It’s not for me to say whether you should have said more or not, but I have to wonder if they had somehow been associated with Democrats or someone definitely not Supporting Trump if you would have drawn conclusions and had more to say. Not saying you would have, but I do wonder. Might be something to think about.

WNYShooter Loc: WNY

SteveR wrote:

Let's not be mistaken. Despite the fact that thes... (show quote)

Here are a bit longer videos of what actually happened, showing that the Indian activists approached and got in the kid's face, the one of the Indians even yelling at the kids to go back to Europe. The full video seems to show the kid displayed an incredible degree of patience and self control considering the guy drumming got right in his face for a prolonged period. Kinda makes your ignorant rant seem pretty foolish doesn't it!

https://youtu.be/sIG5ZB0fw1k

https://youtu.be/npX801xLSFY

SteveR Loc: Michigan

thom w wrote:

It’s not for me to say whether you should have said more or not, but I have to wonder if they had somehow been associated with Democrats or someone definitely not Supporting Trump if you would have drawn conclusions and had more to say. Not saying you would have, but I do wonder. Might be something to think about.

I don't quite know how to respond, Thom, except to say that I don't think anything I say would satisfy you.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

WNYShooter wrote:

Here are a bit longer videos of what actually happ... (show quote)

What were the kids doing there chanting in the first place? The videos don't go back far enough. He was there to perform a ceremony for fellow Native American Vietnam soldiers who had died in the war, not entertain a bunch of high school kids.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

SteveR wrote:

I don't quite know how to respond, Thom, except to say that I don't think anything I say would satisfy you.

I just said I wonder. I didn’t draw any conclusions. I didn’t try to blame every red hat wearer for their actions. That would be tempting but foolish and wrong. And I didn’t claim anything bad about you. I was a little suprised that you posted what you did. Pleasantly surprised. Maybe I shouldn’t have been surprised. I’m sorry you thought I was being critical.

WNYShooter Loc: WNY

SteveR wrote:

What were the kids doing there chanting in the first place? The videos don't go back far enough. He was there to perform a ceremony for fellow Native American Vietnam soldiers who had died in the war, not entertain a bunch of high school kids.

They were there in a group with their school waiting for their busses, they were doing their school cheers while waiting, the Native Americans decided to walk into the group of school kids, most likely as a stunt seeing the one Native American is clearly following them into the group while shooting video. Even better though, here is one of the kids explaining what was going on:

https://twitter.com/AClementsWKRC/status/1086822521012473858

in part:

"As we are an all-male school that loves to get hyped up (hence our cheer section's name "Colonel Crazies"), and as we have done for years prior, we decided to do some cheers to pass time. In the midst of our cheers, we were approached by a group of adults led by Nathan Phillips, with Phillips beating his drum. They forced their way into the center of our group. We initially thought this was a cultural display since he was beating along to our cheers and so we clapped to the beat. He came to stand in front of one of my classmates who stood where he was, smiling and enjoying the experience. However, after multiple minutes of Mr. Phillips beating his drum directly in the face of my friend (mere centimeters from his nose), we became confused and started wondering what was happening. It was not until later that we discovered they would incriminate us as a publicity stunt. As a result, my friend faces expulsion for simply standing still and our entire school is being disparaged for a crime we did not commit. To reiterate, we did not partake in any physical or verbal abuse, did not chant "build the wall" or mock or anything of the like, and did not seek to incite violence."

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

WNYShooter wrote:

They were there in a group with their school waiti... (show quote)

A woman who apeared in one of the videos you linked to didn’t seem to see it that way. She yelled at them amout mob something. The school obviously had access to at least as much video as you do, and according to what you posted, they are taking disciplinary action, but your opinion is not unexpected.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

WNYShooter wrote:

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Hmmm. Sometimes appearance can be deceiving. We'll have to see how this plays out. The interesting thing will be to find out who approached whom in the first place.

JW S

SteveR wrote:

Hmmm. Sometimes appearance can be deceiving. We'll have to see how this plays out. The interesting thing will be to find out who approached whom in the first place.

The Drummers were moving thru the crowd.... The boy in question did not approach the Drummer, the drummer approached him. Space was cleared to allow the Drummer to move around the young man, but he choose not to.

If we were singled out by the Drummer, what would we have done?

Each of us should watch more than what the Liberal MSM wants you to see

EyeSawYou

thom w wrote:

It’s not for me to say whether you should have said more or not, but I have to wonder if they had somehow been associated with Democrats or someone definitely not Supporting Trump if you would have drawn conclusions and had more to say. Not saying you would have, but I do wonder. Might be something to think about.

Would YOU have drawn a different conclusion if the roles were reversed?? I know you said you haven't drawn any conclusions at this point.

WNYShooter Loc: WNY

SteveR wrote:

Hmmm. Sometimes appearance can be deceiving. We'll have to see how this plays out. The interesting thing will be to find out who approached whom in the first place.

Exactly my point. Now this kids life is getting destroyed over what appears to be false narrative created over a manufactured incident, by the exact people who claim to care about other humans, especially kids.

And looking just a bit deeper, you find that this isn't the first time Nathan Phillips has put himself in the public eye over a racial "incident" like this:

Native American claims racial harassment by EMU students dressed as Indians:

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/native-american-claims-racial-harassment-by-emu-students-dressed-as-indians?fbclid=IwAR2EFZcG_ES6JEcTBPc1v08huFtWavM4CTG95QJha0RDcf9ALLTlFzwbl1Q

An Ypsilanti man says he was trying to teach a few students dressed in American Indian theme party about respecting Native Americans.

Not long afterward, Nathan Phillips said that an interaction with party-goers and students turned ugly.
Nathan Phillips says he was out for a noon walk on a Saturday in mid-April.

He walked by a home where he saw Eastern Michigan University students dressed as Native Americans.

"They had little feathers on, I was just going to walk by," Phillips said. "A group of them said 'Come on over, come here.'"

He says he walked over to the fence and saw roughly 30 to 40 students involved in a theme party.

"They had their face painted," Phillips said. "I said what the heck is going on here. 'Oh we are honoring you.' I said no you are not honoring me."

It was a statement he says they took offense to.

"Then started whooping and hollering," he said. "I said that wasn't honoring, that was r****t. Then at that time, it really got ugly."

Phillips says he was bombarded with racial slurs.

"(They said) 'Go back to the reservation, you blank indian,'" he said.

One student, he says, threw a beer can at him.

"If I would have stayed where I was at, it would have hit me in the head," he said. "I backed up and it hit me in the chest."

He had seen enough at that point and says he called the police.

"By the time police got there, it was like there was no party there at all," he said.

Phillips filed a report with campus police who tell FOX 2 they are investigating the matter.

FOX 2 stopped by the home in question. Someone came to the door, but didn't open up.

Why did Phillips go over to the fence? Why not just walk away?

"For me just to walk by and have a blind eye to it," he said. "Something just didn't allow me to do it."

He claims this group referred to themselves as the Hurons, the former mascot at EMU at one time.

"The mascot issue at the university was changed 20 years ago," Phillips said. "That I'm dealing with it 20 years later ... There's a lot of h**e behind that."

As for what should happen to the students he claimed harassed him, he hopes others can learn from this.

"Whoever would sit judgement on them, the university the law, society, that is their job," Phillips said. "I will pray for them that they will see a better way."

Eastern Michigan issued a statement that says the investigation is ongoing and they will comply with policies and procedures.

Some students say that doesn't go far enough. They plan a news conference Wednesday to make sure this issue is not forgotten.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

EyeSawYou wrote:

Would YOU have drawn a different conclusion if the roles were reversed?? I know you said you haven't drawn any conclusions at this point.

I don't have any more information than what has been posted here. I don't think I would react any differently if they were wearing dump Trump hats, but I would hope Dump Trump hats would be made in the USA. Trump has definitely helped coarsen the behavior of many in this country. I can't say if his existence caused this. Not very long ago conservatives would not have stood for this, from kids of Republicans or Democrats. I'm not sure what should be done about it. They are kids. I think they need to be taught respect, but I don't really have an opinion as to how that should be done. Some of what was posted sounded like the school might be over reacting, but I really don't have a lot of information. I think the Trump hats may offer some insight, but I don't think it calls for harsher treatment. That may be the first post I've seen from you in a while that wasn't offensive.

Chuy Loc: OUT OF TOWN

This is clearly an anti Trump set up, These clowns are not supporters of Trump or what Trump stands for.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

SteveR wrote:

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You might want to get the whole story before you shoot your mouth off. It seems THEY were actually targeted for wearing the hats and being there to march for life.