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Jan 12, 2019 19:05:32   #
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Jan 12, 2019 19:09:32   #
Longshadow (a regular here)
 

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Jan 12, 2019 19:15:53   #
Chris Williams
 
Our camera club is not that way. Lots of help and friendship with over 100 people

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Jan 12, 2019 19:27:26   #
LoStrunzo
 
Feedback, criticism, hhhmmmmmm. Semantics? One can construe feedback to be criticism or visa versa. If the "response" to a photo is given without demeaning or disparaging words, in fact in a complimentary fashion, eg "beautiful picture, great light and colors, but maybe next time don't include the fence or the stray limb or the garbage can......." Is it feedback or criticism? It's in the eyes of the beholder. Now if someone were to say "what where you thinking, including all that extraneous junk in what could have been a great picture?" then there's really no doubt it's criticism. But if you're gonna post stuff on a public forum you should expect some will not treat you as gently as good old Mum. So one persons meanness is another persons teaching moment. You gotta ignore the trolls and learn from their comments.

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Jan 12, 2019 21:13:33   #
Longshadow (a regular here)
 
LoStrunzo wrote:
Feedback, criticism, hhhmmmmmm. Semantics? One can construe feedback to be criticism or visa versa. If the "response" to a photo is given without demeaning or disparaging words, in fact in a complimentary fashion, eg "beautiful picture, great light and colors, but maybe next time don't include the fence or the stray limb or the garbage can......." Is it feedback or criticism? It's in the eyes of the beholder. Now if someone were to say "what where you thinking, including all that extraneous junk in what could have been a great picture?" then there's really no doubt it's criticism. But if you're gonna post stuff on a public forum you should expect some will not treat you as gently as good old Mum. So one persons meanness is another persons teaching moment. You gotta ignore the trolls and learn from their comments.
Feedback, criticism, hhhmmmmmm. Semantics? One can... (show quote)

It's all in the way the information is presented.

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Jan 13, 2019 06:38:14   #
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Jan 13, 2019 07:58:16   #
Stephan G (a regular here)
 


All I can say is, "This is what I would do..." The only person I am in charge of is me.

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Jan 13, 2019 08:59:33   #
nikonbug
 
I see many pictures that the author is very proud of, and I would not have done it that way. But, I am trying to refrain from commenting, as I can not find a way to say that it could be improved without making it sound critical. So, if you like something, I am happy for you. I don't like all art and who is to say my opinion is any better than yours?

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Jan 13, 2019 09:10:53   #
Longshadow (a regular here)
 
nikonbug wrote:

....I am trying to refrain from commenting, as I can not find a way to say that it could be improved without making it sound critical.
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How about:

"What would happen if you did .......?".

"How would it look if you .......?".

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Jan 13, 2019 09:15:04   #
Scruples (a regular here)
 
I am new to Ugly Hedge Hog. I have posted some new topics and threads to existing topics. I have gotten a lot of chatter and some interesting feedback.
So let me leave you with a few thoughts why PEOPLE are mean to other PEOPLE.
First, we all share a craft. We are all learning this craft. We could have bought a camera yesterday or started thirty years ago. It doesn't matter. We are all trying to be better at what we do every day.
Second, there are people who don't get what I just wrote. They never have and never will. You need to move forward. Do not just move on with your craft!
Third, a person who is negative towards you has not come to terms with the first two points. Don't change them. YOU CAN'T!
Finally, learn from what they have told you. Don't ignore them. Take that experience and be a better person (photographer) then you were before. Even if a person is harsh or critical, accept the fact they don't know how to give good critique. You will be better from that experience and be able to share your insight (and talent) with others.

I started to learn photography in 1976 on a whim. I'm still learning! That was one of the great times I had in High School. My teacher (he passed away) was phenomenal at teaching me to be humble. I enjoy our craft and hope that I can learn more each day as I share our craft with others. I hope to make the next generation of photographers better than me.

I haven't read this here but would like to share it with everyone. I don't know who wrote it. It is:

LIFE IS LIKE PHOTOGRAPHY.
FOCUS ON THE IMPORTANT THINGS.
DEVELOP FROM THE NEGATIVES.
IF THINGS DON'T TURN OUT
THE WAY YOU PLANNED,
TAKE ANOTHER SHOT!

Good Luck and Happy Shooting!

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Jan 13, 2019 09:39:29   #
foathog (a regular here)
 
you stick your neck out every time you display a photo. you have to learn to roll with the punches. one can't satisfy all the people all of the time.

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Jan 13, 2019 11:06:10   #
Wanda Krack
 
When giving feedback about an image, the suggested way is to first say what you see as a positive about the image, then a suggestion for improvement, then state an appreciation for the image. Words can be used such as: 'have you considered.....' and explain how that suggestion might improve the image, or 'I might have a tendency to.......' and why, or 'how would the picture look if......'

Being kind in how you give feedback can be as important as what the feedback is. When we are on the receiving end of critiques or feedback, it's up to us as to whether or not that information or suggestion is in the picture's best interest. Also, I like to remember that each of us views an image from different life-experiences and each person's ideas have worth, whether or not we agree with them.

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Jan 13, 2019 12:18:05   #
charles tabb
 
nikonbug wrote:
I see many pictures that the author is very proud of, and I would not have done it that way. But, I am trying to refrain from commenting, as I can not find a way to say that it could be improved without making it sound critical. So, if you like something, I am happy for you. I don't like all art and who is to say my opinion is any better than yours?


A Men

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Jan 13, 2019 12:31:53   #
Cyberkinesis70
 
I don't find that photographers are any meaner or critical than, musicians I've known or auto mechanics or even panhandlers. Everybody has a different vision. Egos abound and can sometimes be offensive. You don't think the Beatles really broke up over Yoko Ono do you? You have to take critiques for what they are, another persons vision of your work. Don't be so stubborn and not take the good stuff away from the conversation.

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Jan 13, 2019 13:21:57   #
mas24
 
Cyberkinesis70 wrote:
I don't find that photographers are any meaner or critical than, musicians I've known or auto mechanics or even panhandlers. Everybody has a different vision. Egos abound and can sometimes be offensive. You don't think the Beatles really broke up over Yoko Ono do you? You have to take critiques for what they are, another persons vision of your work. Don't be so stubborn and not take the good stuff away from the conversation.


Yoko Ono did have something to do with the breakup of the Beatles. She had full control of John Lennon.

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