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Jan 13, 2019 10:43:13   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
burkphoto wrote:
Layers, no. White balance and other “tone” characteristics? Absolutely will it adjust them! It’s using the same Adobe Camera Raw used by Photoshop and Bridge. It just has a different look (user interface).



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Jan 13, 2019 10:46:58   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
Delderby wrote:
I understand that Lightroom doesn't do layers, and won't further adjust WB and Tone after development? If this is so, would you agree that it is hardly a stand - alone app?

LR CAN be used as a stand-alone program, although using it in conjunction with PS and/or other programs greatly increases functionality. It all depends on what someone wants to be able to do.

I used LR alone for several years before the subscription that included PS became available. It is great for the basic edits that are enough for so many photographers. In fact, in some functions it can work better than PS, but that is dependent on the photo itself and how it reacts to the adjustment.

You can make all the global adjustments, but if you want a selective adjustment it is available. It may not be as in depth as in PS, but it works very well just the same. Any feature used in LR including WB and Tone can be changed later. Nothing becomes "set" so you cannot go back and change it. Plus you can make as many versions of an image as you like as long as you are not keeping the original RAW file with the adjustments instead of using a "virtual copy" each time you do a new version!

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Jan 13, 2019 10:49:20   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
LR CAN be used as a stand-alone program, although using it in conjunction with PS and/or other programs greatly increases functionality. It all depends on what someone wants to be able to do.

I used LR alone for several years before the subscription that included PS became available. It is great for the basic edits that are enough for so many photographers. In fact, in some functions it can work better than PS, but that is dependent on the photo itself and how it reacts to the adjustment.

You can make all the global adjustments, but if you want a selective adjustment it is available. It may not be as in depth as in PS, but it works very well just the same. Any feature used in LR including WB and Tone can be changed later. Nothing becomes "set" so you cannot go back and change it. Plus you can make as many versions of an image as you like as long as you are not keeping the original RAW file with the adjustments instead of using a "virtual copy" each time you do a new version!
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Jan 13, 2019 11:09:17   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Delderby wrote:
Points taken - but I do like to be able to switch layers on or off for instant comparison.


There are no layers in Lightroom of course, but you can switch instantly switch between the original and your edited version of an image.

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Jan 13, 2019 11:21:34   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
Gatorcoach wrote:
I recently completed a seminar on Lightroom in a attempt to learn how to organize and catalog my thousands of pictures. I knew it would be a monumental task but a necessary evil if I ever wanted to get organized. The instructor taught in a succinct and logical way how to begin (and continue) organizing your pictures.

First, he generally only uses one catalog and stores practically all of his pictures there. He will sent up a separate catalog for a particular job (wedding, etc) just to keep them separate from his personal pictures and can quickly sent proofs to his customers. Imagine the looks on the audience's faces when they learned his main catalog has thousands of pictures. His images are backed up to 2 external drives.

He also does not export his pictures unless they are going to be printed, and even then he often prints directly from lightroom.

The key element is "keywords". You can put as much information as you desire into the "keywords" function - the more the better. You can also mass tag photos with keywords to save time and effort. When you want to pull up pictures go to "search", type in keywords, and boom! they all appear.

For example: I have hundreds of pictures of my granddaughter, from her birth to 1st birthday party, soccer, holidays, graduations, etc. The keywords I use are:"Family", "Cathy", "the year", "event", "anything else of significance". So, for example, all I have to search is "Cathy", "peach picking", "2018" and all the shots from that event immediately pop up.

My instructor feels he doesn't need to export to folders - unnecessary and space hogging on his drives. I still prefer to keep folders and export to them. Either way it is a simple yet very effective way to organize.
I recently completed a seminar on Lightroom in a a... (show quote)

I am glad you have gotten some good information on organizing your images. The instructor, however, is speaking from the point of view of a professional photographer, with client "shoots" to keep each in a separate catalog. When you are shooting for yourself, whether it is family photos or your artistic endeavors, it becomes important to organize in such a way that you can find certain images without relying on keywords.

The need to export to folders is a personal preference, and regardless of the added space requirements, this is what I also prefer. Storage is not expensive these days! I do use keywords when I want to find images that are in a variety of different folders. For instance, keywords like "winter", "snow", will bring together images from multiple topics whether they are landscapes, people, individual locations, etc.

Another reason I export [or further edits in PS and then saving] is to be able to see the actual image in the folders on my hard drive. Looking at an icon is not the same. This is important for me when posting on social media or sending in an email. Using a site's tools to display images takes you to your hard drive folders, and if you can only see that .xmp side-car, how can you know exactly what you are posting? Of course, you can jump back and forth with LR to check, but to me that is an extra and undesirable step.

The beauty of LR is that it can be adapted to whatever sort of organization set-up you prefer! Many like the dates system. I prefer to start with major categories, subdivided into topics. Within the topics I may have added sub-topics, but when appropriate I also use years to group together the images from the year they were taken. I call this a "filing cabinet" system!

The main objective of an organization system is to make it easy to find images. Because of the way my photos are organized, I also do not have checked the "show photos in subfolders" under the Library menu, unless I want to do a search that encompasses multiple folders.

To illustrate, to find images of your granddaughter, at a specific event, those photos could be grouped in a topic folder "People" or "Family", with a sub-folder for Cathy. That folder can be divided by year, or by event. And if the specific event occurred more than one year, it could have a sub-folder for each year's photos. If you have photos of her you want to access that are in group photos or other types of events, then a Catalog-wide search may be appropriate.

No one way is right for everyone, and it takes time to set up a system that works for you. I have re-organized several times, now have a system that I like which I believe will be the keeper!

Hope this helps.
Susan

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Jan 13, 2019 11:32:44   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
The value of keywords is in the peripheral parts of the image.

Suppose you have a directory named "Angie's Wedding". And suppose uncle Joe was there and there's a photo of him at that wedding. A decade or two later you want to find all the photos you have of uncle Joe. Will you remember all the events at which you took a photo of uncle Joe? Therein lies the advantage of a keyword.

Yes, it takes some work to add the keyword "uncle Joe" to every photo that includes him. I think it's easier to add that keyword in Lightroom than to add it using File Explorer in Windows (I don't know how easy or difficult it is to add keywords on a Mac since I don't use one).
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Oh, I understand the merits, advantages, and usage, but right now I don't need/care to populate the field.
Eventually maybe... (I only have 18K+ files so far.)
I don't have a "million" photos (yet), so I know that "Christy" would be under Family\Feny. But who was at my kid's weddings, a bunch of people... Refresh memory by viewing album.

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Jan 13, 2019 11:38:05   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Longshadow wrote:
Oh, I understand the merits, advantages, and usage, but right now I don't need/care to populate the field.
Eventually maybe... (I only have 18K+ files so far.)...


Of course it's much easier to populate the field when there are only a few photos. If you're going to do it, don't wait until you have a lot of photos. For one thing, if you're like me you will start to forget the locations or names of people in the photos.

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Jan 13, 2019 11:51:14   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Of course it's much easier to populate the field when there are only a few photos. If you're going to do it, don't wait until you have a lot of photos. For one thing, if you're like me you will start to forget the locations or names of people in the photos.



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Jan 13, 2019 12:29:57   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Lightroom is quite easy to use actually.? I was a Lightroom user from version 3 up to version 6.14. I gave it up for DXO Photolab. However, after a number of years of using it, speaking to novices about it, and teaching it those who never used post-processing software, I can say unequivocally that one should never use "Lightroom" and "quite easy to use" in the same sentence.

The importing and cataloging process alone is something that confuses new users all the time. The lack of a save feature and the concept of non-destructive editing also confuses new users. When and how to use all the various sliders and other features also confuses new users unless they are willing to spend significant time to learn what each one does and how and when to use it.

The OP, by his own admission, never had the time or interest in learning how to use Elements 11, which had three different processing modes, one of which is intended for newbies who have little or no PP experience. I can't imagine this person using Lightroom without rolling his eyes with confusion during the very first lesson. Perhaps I'm wrong, I hope I am. Time will tell.
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Like any software or computer process, you only get out what you put in. While confusing at first, Lightroom's cataloguing and non-destructive editing features are nothing short of genius, IMHO. My current catalog is approaching 250,000 images and I am thinking of moving 2019 images to a brand new catalog to increase speed, although my hardware can handle what I have. Best of luck to all.

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Jan 13, 2019 12:33:56   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Delderby wrote:
I understand that Lightroom doesn't do layers, and won't further adjust WB and Tone after development? If this is so, would you agree that it is hardly a stand - alone app?


Lightroom does not in fact do layers, but it does come with a handy little program called Photoshop which is a master at layers and moving an image between the two is a click away. If you use RAW files, as I do, you can adjust WB, Tone, and many other things to your hearts content during the initial, or any later, editing process. Not sure about jpegs because I don't use them. Best of luck.

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Jan 13, 2019 12:39:07   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
toast wrote:
I keep hearing it's rather difficult to use. Some folks say it can be overwhelming. Not user friendly.

Honestly, I only want to edit one picture at a time and nothing fancy or involved. (for now). Would I need to take a class or do a lot of reading to just do some "basic photo editing"? I'm very middle of the road when it comes to tech savvy or photo editing knowledge. I would appreciate any thoughts. Thank You!

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I keep hearing it's rather difficult to use. Some ... (show quote)


Why not use your free photo editing program that came with your Apple computer?

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Jan 13, 2019 12:40:24   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
tdekany wrote:
Why not use your free photo editing program that came with your Apple computer?


Perhaps because it doesn't do that much and Lr, once learned, is both superior and much faster?

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Jan 13, 2019 12:57:43   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
cjc2 wrote:
Perhaps because it doesn't do that much and Lr, once learned, is both superior and much faster?


Did you read the OP? While I don’t use it to edit, for someone like the OP, it should be plenty enough.

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Jan 13, 2019 13:14:46   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
orrie smith wrote:
Lightroom is quite easy to use actually. It comes with some presets, and there are others available for purchase, and if you find a preset that will work on most of your photos, workflow is fast and easy. If you want a little more detail, you simply need to adjust a few settings and you are done. Also, if your photography is mostly similar, and the same adjustments can be used on all of your photos, you are able to edit the first photo, select the rest of your photos, and sync the settings all at one shot. There are many tutorials on You Tube and instructions on Google. If you buy the subscription for $10.00 per month, it will stay updated in case you ever buy a new camera, you will always have a program that will read the raw files.
Lightroom is quite easy to use actually. It comes... (show quote)
I agree with this if all you do with it is post process images. For most well exposed images I hit the Auto adjust button and I'm done. It's more database manager than post processing platform. If you want to use it to catalogue and organize thousands of images it's a powerful tool but it will take some effort to learn it. I took a six session course a few years ago and got what I needed to learn. Like many graphics programs, AutoCAD for instance, there are several paths to take to get the same end result in Lightroom. That can make it confusing. The best part of it is that it's non-destructive so your original images are never changed. A small file is created to store your changes so that they are more of an overlay than actual changes to the original.

There are different ways to organize. I organize mine by the date they were taken and everything goes into one catalogue. On import into Lightroom I tag them with keywords, family, Canada, animals, birds, water etc. Whatever helps to find them later. When you do it that way you can then use the Collections tool to make quick collections. For example, if you make a collection called FAMILY, Lightroom will search your database and locate every photo you have tagged with Family. Then when you open the collection every photo tagged with the keyword Family will be there. Then you can go in and edit the contents of the collection for whatever purpose you had in mind. You could make a collection called Pets then use the images in the collection to make a book using the Book tool.

Download a free trial copy and see if you like it. For $10/month it's affordable. It may be more than you want or need.

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Jan 13, 2019 14:15:34   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
LR CAN be used as a stand-alone program, although using it in conjunction with PS and/or other programs greatly increases functionality. It all depends on what someone wants to be able to do.

I used LR alone for several years before the subscription that included PS became available. It is great for the basic edits that are enough for so many photographers. In fact, in some functions it can work better than PS, but that is dependent on the photo itself and how it reacts to the adjustment.

You can make all the global adjustments, but if you want a selective adjustment it is available. It may not be as in depth as in PS, but it works very well just the same. Any feature used in LR including WB and Tone can be changed later. Nothing becomes "set" so you cannot go back and change it. Plus you can make as many versions of an image as you like as long as you are not keeping the original RAW file with the adjustments instead of using a "virtual copy" each time you do a new version!
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Adobe designed Lr to do 80% of what most pros need to do with their images. For the other 20%, Ps and other apps fill the gaps. This saves a tremendous amount of time!

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