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Art vs Image?? SOOC vs PP? Could we live & let live either way?
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Jan 11, 2019 17:44:18   #
dione961 (a regular here)
 
I was wondering why these things matter so much. But then I realised that even that is OK. Have your own opinion, vision, etc., but maybe, let others have theirs as well??

I've travelled a good part of the world - almost all of it "off the beaten track". I began travelling for a reason: to learn about the lives and views of people outside my own narrow world. I use a camera to capture what I find out there (here) and what I do find is this: there is pure, simple love, and arresting beauty, literally everywhere - even right at home. You don't have to look to find it: you just see it. The camera is my tool for trying to capture it. I haven't worked out how to show other people what I'm finding, but that's my vision: to show the love and beauty that is absolutely everywhere around us, that we are part of. Every image I make is an effort to show this.

I don't think of my efforts as art, but as a story. I am trying hard to learn how to get most things "right" (fraught as that term is) before I press the shutter, because I have no PP skills or software.

Yet it seems as though it should be OK for others to see their work (or anyone's work) as art, or not; and to think SOOC is "pure", or not, or PP as "inevitable" or not, and so on. Provided it's done respectfully, maybe even thoughtfully, all such views should be OK to share, especially on this forum.

So, at great risk of being labelled a hypocrite for even asking the question, is there a way we can all just live and let live?

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Jan 11, 2019 17:54:49   #
rmalarz (a regular here)
 
A very simple approach is photography is there are some sub-categories. For those that rely on SOOC for their photographs I'd consider those snapshots. Those who produce photographs do processing of the images with the idea of what the final will look like prior to activating the shutter. They rely on exposure techniques and processing to achieve that vision.

From your description, it would appear that you are working more in the documentary area and those, by convention, shouldn't be processed. I'd applaud your approach to attempting to get as much as possible correct in camera. That can be challenging. Today's cameras can do a lot to assist in your approach.
--Bob
dione961 wrote:
I was wondering why these things matter so much. But then I realised that even that is OK. Have your own opinion, vision, etc., but maybe, let others have theirs as well??

I've travelled a good part of the world - almost all of it "off the beaten track". I began travelling for a reason: to learn about the lives and views of people outside my own narrow world. I use a camera to capture what I find out there (here) and what I do find is this: there is pure, simple love, and arresting beauty, literally everywhere - even right at home. You don't have to look to find it: you just see it. The camera is my tool for trying to capture it. I haven't worked out how to show other people what I'm finding, but that's my vision: to show the love and beauty that is absolutely everywhere around us, that we are part of. Every image I make is an effort to show this.

I don't think of my efforts as art, but as a story. I am trying hard to learn how to get most things "right" (fraught as that term is) before I press the shutter, because I have no PP skills or software.

Yet it seems as though it should be OK for others to see their work (or anyone's work) as art, or not; and to think SOOC is "pure", or not, or PP as "inevitable" or not, and so on. Provided it's done respectfully, maybe even thoughtfully, all such views should be OK to share, especially on this forum.

So, at great risk of being labelled a hypocrite for even asking the question, is there a way we can all just live and let live?
I was wondering why these things matter so much. ... (show quote)

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Jan 11, 2019 18:03:07   #
CHG_CANON (a regular here)
 
If you think you're going to change the world or even the small UHH virtual portion of it, you're going to be as disappointed as most ....

The two things you can control is how you evolve your vision of your photography work and how / if you respond to others. Although you can influence others, you can't control their responses to your work except by not sharing at all. Don't let the naysayers, who tend to be the more vocal online, influence your own sense of self.

If you get caught into every up vs down, left vs right argument on UHH, you're wasting time that would be better spent shooting and editing, learning and sharing. Expressing a worry about whether to process or not seems to indicate you've been listening to voices that may be loud but tend to have nothing useful to say.

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Jan 11, 2019 18:06:06   #
dione961 (a regular here)
 
rmalarz wrote:
attempting to get as much as possible correct in camera. That can be challenging. Today's cameras can do a lot to assist in your approach.
--Bob


Hey Bob, thanks for your views. I kind of have to learn PP even though I am trying to show what I see, because I have many images that need corrections. Here's a shot taken during a street festival in Japan last year; not a bad image, until you see the elbow stick out of the baby's ear!! I wish I had known then how to blur out the background & I'm hoping I can learn to do it now by PP, even though I only have JPEG's. May be wishful thinking!!
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Jan 11, 2019 18:09:59   #
Linda From Maine (a regular here)
 
I second Ch_Canon's sentiments most heartily. I would also suggest you unsubscribe to main discussion forum and spend more time in areas of this huge website that will inspire and motivate you. Click on "all sections" at the bottom of the page to discover what we have. Most of the "boutique" sections have moderators who don't tolerate the toxic environment of many main forum "discussions."

Find a mentor or three and start private dialogues via the pm system. Embrace the joy of your hobby!

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Jan 11, 2019 18:16:12   #
dione961 (a regular here)
 
[quote=CHG_CANON]If you think you're going to change the world or even the small UHH virtual portion of it, you're going to be as disappointed as most ....

Hey, thanks for posting; definitely know I can't change the world; just want to show what really is out there. I do spend time reading here - especially when it's up to 20 degrees below freezing out. 99% of the time, I just read, or read & go elsewhere for more info. But, it is hard to butt sometimes.

As I just posted to Bob, I need to learn PP, and by major co-incidence, my copy of PSE just turned up, just 10 mins ago, so I'll have something fun to do until I can get outside again!! Have an awesome day.

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Jan 11, 2019 18:23:45   #
rmalarz (a regular here)
 
Do you mean something like this.
--Bob
dione961 wrote:
Hey Bob, thanks for your views. I kind of have to learn PP even though I am trying to show what I see, because I have many images that need corrections. Here's a shot taken during a street festival in Japan last year; not a bad image, until you see the elbow stick out of the baby's ear!! I wish I had known then how to blur out the background & I'm hoping I can learn to do it now by PP, even though I only have JPEG's. May be wishful thinking!!

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Jan 11, 2019 18:26:20   #
dione961 (a regular here)
 
rmalarz wrote:
Do you mean something like this.
--Bob


not sure what you mean??

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Jan 11, 2019 18:30:53   #
CHG_CANON (a regular here)
 
dione961 wrote:
Hey Bob, thanks for your views. I kind of have to learn PP even though I am trying to show what I see, because I have many images that need corrections. Here's a shot taken during a street festival in Japan last year; not a bad image, until you see the elbow stick out of the baby's ear!! I wish I had known then how to blur out the background & I'm hoping I can learn to do it now by PP, even though I only have JPEG's. May be wishful thinking!!


I wouldn't have notice the elbow until you mentioned. With the right tool, this is a 30-second task and you don't have to have a RAW original to seamlessly "fix" by cloning away such a minor in the background. Here's where the SOOC crowd is at their worst. Their straw-photoshop man tends to conflate a minor improvement with HDR to the nth degree and adding / removing significant aspects of the image (not a background distraction). If you take out the elbow, you probably can't use this image for Reuters and so forth. But, if that wasn't the purpose of the image or correction, there isn't anyone else who would or should care.

That 30-second effort comes from both training and experience and the relative power and ease of the tool used. Here's where the pre-purchase research does take some time as does the training, utube and other, and the development of your hands-on knowledge where you can eventually look at an item and judge whether the effort is worth the result. If you value your shooting time more than your editing time, great, nothing wrong there in any shape or form. If want to know a bit about processing and how to quickly adjust minor issues like this real, useful and relevant example, that shouldn't matter to anyone either.

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Jan 11, 2019 18:32:39   #
dione961 (a regular here)
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I second Ch_Canon's sentiments most heartily. I would also suggest you unsubscribe to main discussion forum and spend more time in areas of this huge website that will inspire and motivate you. Click on "all sections" at the bottom of the page to discover what we have. Most of the "boutique" sections have moderators who don't tolerate the toxic environment of many main forum "discussions."

Find a mentor or three and start private dialogues via the pm system. Embrace the joy of your hobby!
I second Ch_Canon's sentiments most heartily. I wo... (show quote)


Hey Linda, awesome of you to post. See my replies to Bob & CHG-CANON. I've been avoiding posting pics or bothering the other sections as I know so little!! (Crazy!!??). Do you recommend "For Your Consideration" - and, only new pics I will take now I can actually set the camera for what it says is "correct exposure"? Or, posting any pic I have a question about, even if taken a while ago. Also, I'm super new to fora as well as photography! So I have no clue how to go about finding a mentor, especially as I am pretty much a 1st grade novice (albeit, one who is having a ton of fun!!)

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Jan 11, 2019 18:35:47   #
CHG_CANON (a regular here)
 
dione961 wrote:
Hey Linda, awesome of you to post. See my replies to Bob & CHG-CANON. I've been avoiding posting pics or bothering the other sections as I know so little!! (Crazy!!??). Do you recommend "For Your Consideration" - and, only new pics I will take now I can actually set the camera for what it says is "correct exposure"? Or, posting any pic I have a question about, even if taken a while ago. Also, I'm super new to fora as well as photography! So I have no clue how to go about finding a mentor, especially as I am pretty much a 1st grade novice (albeit, one who is having a ton of fun!!)
Hey Linda, awesome of you to post. See my replies... (show quote)

You can try Post Process, Photo Analysis and the general Photo Gallery as all useful places to get practical help. The ADMINs in each section might have a different opinion, but you can read some recent posts and see with seems as the best place to start. You just have to state the issue and store a high resolution JPEG, and you'll get useful (and useless) feedback.

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Jan 11, 2019 18:37:30   #
Linda From Maine (a regular here)
 
dione961 wrote:
Hey Linda, awesome of you to post. See my replies to Bob & CHG-CANON. I've been avoiding posting pics or bothering the other sections as I know so little!! (Crazy!!??). Do you recommend "For Your Consideration" - and, only new pics I will take now I can actually set the camera for what it says is "correct exposure"? Or, posting any pic I have a question about, even if taken a while ago. Also, I'm super new to fora as well as photography! So I have no clue how to go about finding a mentor, especially as I am pretty much a 1st grade novice (albeit, one who is having a ton of fun!!)
Hey Linda, awesome of you to post. See my replies... (show quote)
Certainly, For Your Consideration is a good place to receive constructive feedback. But also, if your subject is applicable, Landscape or Close-up, among others.

Be sure to ask in your opening what you're looking to have discussed. BUT...my earlier comments also refer to participating as a respondent and viewer. If you are not comfortable giving feedback, you can always ask questions of the photographer.

Mentor: feel free to pm me any photos or questions you wish. I'm here every day

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Jan 11, 2019 18:43:31   #
rmalarz (a regular here)
 
I reposted your photo.
--Bob
dione961 wrote:
not sure what you mean??

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Jan 11, 2019 18:45:14   #
rmalarz (a regular here)
 
Please stand by. We're experiencing technical difficulties.
--Bob
dione961 wrote:
not sure what you mean??

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Jan 11, 2019 18:52:49   #
rmalarz (a regular here)
 
Hopefully, this was what I meant.
--Bob
dione961 wrote:
not sure what you mean??


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