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Jan 11, 2019 16:47:30   #
Insp Gadget
 
Hi all from snowy Wildwood MO. there is snow everywhere except in my photos. I'm sorry to admit that I hijacked the "Art" topic trying to get an answer quickly but felt guilty and started a new topic. It seems to me that digital processors filter or remove snow from the image. At least as the eye sees it. It is snowing quite hard here but it doesn't show up on images taken with my D5600 or my cell phone. the only place it is visible is when there is a darker background. I've used shutter speed from 1/60 to 1/3200 and only see the difference as blurred flakes against the dark backgrounds. I have turned off all of the noise eliminating settings, changed the ISO and aperture. I also learned that if you use an effect such as Vivid, a raw file is not created. interesting. I've attached a few for input / comment. Not really trying for a great shot until I can get the snow in the snow picture. These are taken from the doorway onto our deck trying to keep the camera dry. We're only into the third hour of a two day snow. We have about 3" now and the heaviest is yet to come. Could be interesting. Comments/suggestions welcome and appreciated.


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Jan 11, 2019 16:52:06   #
Linda From Maine (a regular here)
 
Your individual snowflakes are a tiny part of this relatively large and very busy scene. Shoot a more narrow (telephoto-ish) view and try focusing on something close to you in the scene, using manual focus. Flakes will be easier to see against a darker background (doesn't have to be dark exposure).

Oh, night shots with flash can work too!

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See the flakes in front of hot tub?
See the flakes in front of hot tub?...
Here is an old photo where the flash reflected off the sleet :)
Here is an old photo where the flash reflected off...

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Jan 11, 2019 16:59:14   #
Insp Gadget
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Your individual snowflakes are a tiny part of this relatively large scene. Shoot a more narrow (telephoto-ish) view and try focusing on something close to you in the scene, using manual focus. And they will be easier to see against a darker background (doesn't have to be dark exposure).


Hi Linda,
Thank You for your response. You can see the snow flakes falling when you look at a object in the foreground. The idea of the photo was to capture how hard it was snowing. The camera did an outstanding job of "clearing" all that snow from the main large scene you mention. In reality I could hardly see the trees just past the edge of the deck because of the snow falling. In the background you can get the idea. There should be valley and another hill where the all white is. It's all very interesting and a little disappointing.

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Jan 11, 2019 17:01:48   #
Linda From Maine (a regular here)
 
Insp Gadget wrote:
Hi Linda,
Thank You for your response. You can see the snow flakes falling when you look at a object in the foreground. The idea of the photo was to capture how hard it was snowing. The camera did an outstanding job of "clearing" all that snow from the main large scene you mention. In reality I could hardly see the trees just past the edge of the deck because of the snow falling. In the background you can get the idea. There should be valley and another hill where the all white is. It's all very interesting and a little disappointing.
Hi Linda, br Thank You for your response. You can... (show quote)
Sorry, I've been editing my reply to you Please read again to see if you missed anything "important," especially re use of flash at night.

Others will be along shortly, I'm sure. Best of luck.

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Jan 11, 2019 17:04:44   #
Insp Gadget
 
Thanks again Linda. I'll try the flash later.

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Jan 11, 2019 17:19:27   #
tdekany
 
Insp Gadget wrote:
Hi Linda,
Thank You for your response. You can see the snow flakes falling when you look at a object in the foreground. The idea of the photo was to capture how hard it was snowing. The camera did an outstanding job of "clearing" all that snow from the main large scene you mention. In reality I could hardly see the trees just past the edge of the deck because of the snow falling. In the background you can get the idea. There should be valley and another hill where the all white is. It's all very interesting and a little disappointing.
Hi Linda, br Thank You for your response. You can... (show quote)


Like Linda suggested, zoom in, but lighting is everything, I guess I got lucky. Click on download.


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Jan 11, 2019 17:34:59   #
srt101fan
 
Insp Gadget wrote:
Hi all from snowy Wildwood MO. there is snow everywhere except in my photos. I'm sorry to admit that I hijacked the "Art" topic trying to get an answer quickly but felt guilty and started a new topic. It seems to me that digital processors filter or remove snow from the image. At least as the eye sees it. It is snowing quite hard here but it doesn't show up on images taken with my D5600 or my cell phone. the only place it is visible is when there is a darker background. I've used shutter speed from 1/60 to 1/3200 and only see the difference as blurred flakes against the dark backgrounds. I have turned off all of the noise eliminating settings, changed the ISO and aperture. I also learned that if you use an effect such as Vivid, a raw file is not created. interesting. I've attached a few for input / comment. Not really trying for a great shot until I can get the snow in the snow picture. These are taken from the doorway onto our deck trying to keep the camera dry. We're only into the third hour of a two day snow. We have about 3" now and the heaviest is yet to come. Could be interesting. Comments/suggestions welcome and appreciated.
Hi all from snowy Wildwood MO. there is snow ever... (show quote)


Sorry, can't address why snow is not showing up in your shots. But your comment "I also learned that if you use an effect such as Vivid, a raw file is not created" caught my eye. I have a D5300 and as far as I know the picture control settings (such as Vivid) have no impact on if and how RAW data is created!?

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Jan 11, 2019 17:44:15   #
Insp Gadget
 
srt101fan wrote:
Sorry, can't address why snow is not showing up in your shots. But your comment "I also learned that if you use an effect such as Vivid, a raw file is not created" caught my eye. I have a D5300 and as far as I know the picture control settings (such as Vivid) have no impact on if and how RAW data is created!?


Well, I just noticed it today. I really haven't done much (hardly any) post processing of raw files. I tried twice and got so frustrated with the software I gave up. I've been shooting raw+lpg just in case I later learn it and want to go back to some of what I'm shooting now. I wet back into older files and see that every time I've used the Vivid effect, it only created the jpg. No nef for those shots. Could be a setting. just found out about it. Maybe others will comment also.

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Jan 11, 2019 17:54:35   #
Bill_de (a regular here)
 
srt101fan wrote:
Sorry, can't address why snow is not showing up in your shots. But your comment "I also learned that if you use an effect such as Vivid, a raw file is not created" caught my eye. I have a D5300 and as far as I know the picture control settings (such as Vivid) have no impact on if and how RAW data is created!?


If you use Nikon software you can select "as shot" and the effects will be applied to the raw image. However, some/most third party software will ignore it.

In an interview, I believe at Photokina, one of the Nikon executives was emphatic that the picture controls were designed with NEF files in mind. In fact with the NEF file you can change the Picture Control in post processing. You can also create your own.

From NikonUSA on picture controls:

https://www.nikonusa.com/en/learn-and-explore/a/tips-and-techniques/picture-controls-step-by-step.html

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Jan 12, 2019 11:31:32   #
mikeroetex
 
Insp Gadget wrote:
Hi all from snowy Wildwood MO. there is snow everywhere except in my photos. I'm sorry to admit that I hijacked the "Art" topic trying to get an answer quickly but felt guilty and started a new topic. It seems to me that digital processors filter or remove snow from the image. At least as the eye sees it. It is snowing quite hard here but it doesn't show up on images taken with my D5600 or my cell phone. the only place it is visible is when there is a darker background. I've used shutter speed from 1/60 to 1/3200 and only see the difference as blurred flakes against the dark backgrounds. I have turned off all of the noise eliminating settings, changed the ISO and aperture. I also learned that if you use an effect such as Vivid, a raw file is not created. interesting. I've attached a few for input / comment. Not really trying for a great shot until I can get the snow in the snow picture. These are taken from the doorway onto our deck trying to keep the camera dry. We're only into the third hour of a two day snow. We have about 3" now and the heaviest is yet to come. Could be interesting. Comments/suggestions welcome and appreciated.
Hi all from snowy Wildwood MO. there is snow ever... (show quote)


So if I understand correctly, you want something relatively white (snow) to show up against something fairly white (sky) in the background? Do you think lack of contrast could be the problem?

Cameras do not see as the eyes do, nor with the dynamic range of your eyes. Without a flash to reflect off the snow and make it brighter than your background, you may be chasing the near impossible.

Also, Vivid setting only sets jpg files to a certain level of saturation, and should have nothing to do with whether RAW files are produced. Double check your settings in the menus.

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Jan 12, 2019 11:34:13   #
mikeroetex
 
tdekany wrote:
Like Linda suggested, zoom in, but lighting is everything, I guess I got lucky. Click on download.

Very nice photo, but even in this shot, the snowflakes only show up against a darker background.
White on white without any contrast would be very hard to see, no?

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Jan 12, 2019 11:41:31   #
Linda From Maine (a regular here)
 
tdekany wrote:
Like Linda suggested, zoom in, but lighting is everything, I guess I got lucky. Click on download.
I said a lot of things, lol, but as Mike points out, your photo really only shows the snow against dark background (like my crop of OP's photo with comment, Flakes will be easier to see against a darker background...)

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Jan 12, 2019 11:59:40   #
brucebc
 
Try manual focus at about 8-10 feet with say a 50mm lens at f8. It is like not seeing all the little spots on your windshield while driving. Your camera is looking past the close snow flakes.

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Jan 12, 2019 12:30:26   #
tdekany
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I said a lot of things, lol, but as Mike points out, your photo really only shows the snow against dark background (like my crop of OP's photo with comment, Flakes will be easier to see against a darker background...)


You do see snow falling in my photo right? That is all I’m saying, lighting is everything, the op’s Photo doesn’t show at all that the snow was coming down ‘’quiet hard’’. Even against the dark background.

You can see that the snow was falling pretty hard in mine.

So what is the lesson?

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Jan 12, 2019 13:41:55   #
mikeroetex
 
tdekany wrote:
You do see snow falling in my photo right? That is all I’m saying, lighting is everything, the op’s Photo doesn’t show at all that the snow was coming down ‘’quiet hard’’. Even against the dark background.

You can see that the snow was falling pretty hard in mine.

So what is the lesson?

I do see your snow falling, but not as it falls past the rooftops which are white from accumulation and not the lower half below the cars, where it is all white from the snow blanket. I easily see it when the darker buildings are in the background. And yes, I downloaded and magnified!
My lesson, stay in Louisiana and go out on a swamp tour while it is 78* on New Year's Eve!

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