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Jan 10, 2019 11:10:29   #
dsmeltz (a regular here)
 
bsprague wrote:
The tables from Adobe say the D7200 needs "Adobe Camera Raw" version 9. The table also say that Photoshop Elements 10 went through 6.7. ACR 9 came with Photoshop Elements 14.

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-compatible-applications.html
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html

If you don't want to spend money on a newer Version of Photoshop Elements, you can read about the DNG format here:
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/digital-negative.html

You can download the free DNG converter here: https://supportdownloads.adobe.com/detail.jsp?ftpID=6529
The tables from Adobe say the D7200 needs "Ad... (show quote)



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Jan 10, 2019 11:10:56   #
abc1234
 
StanMac wrote:
Ain't technology wonderful! I thought technology's goal was to mechanize complicated and boring tasks, making them quicker, better so life would be easier and less complicated, giving us more leisure time to enjoy our interests and hobbies ……yadda yadda yadda


Stan


And indeed it does. When I was printing color in the darkroom, exposing and developing a print took at least 15 minutes. If the temperature was off a little or the drum contaminated with blix, then I had to redo that print. I now spend about 3 minutes per picture in LR for something that is far better. No, technology is not the problem. The user who does not want to stay current is the problem. Sure, you can waste a lot of time on specific problems but, in general, the worst thing is people who fall behind because they either do not want or have the money to upgrade or think obsolete technology is good enough. And that is the answer to the original post.

In my case, I loved the darkroom but would never go back to it because today's technology gives me results that delight me a lot more.

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Jan 10, 2019 13:34:07   #
bsprague
 
"I loved the darkroom but would never go back to it because today's technology gives me results that delight me a lot more."

In the '70s I built a darkroom that was to dream standards. Loved it.

I got out some of my old darkroom work. I used an Epson scanner to get digital files from old negatives, Lightroom to process and a Canon Pro-100 to print. The new prints are better than the old prints.

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Jan 10, 2019 13:38:44   #
abc1234
 
bsprague wrote:
"I loved the darkroom but would never go back to it because today's technology gives me results that delight me a lot more."

In the '70s I built a darkroom that was to dream standards. Loved it.

I got out some of my old darkroom work. I used an Epson scanner to get digital files from old negatives, Lightroom to process and a Canon Pro-100 to print. The new prints are better than the old prints.


I miss the different paper textures and mounting. I still have my dry mount press but am too lazy to use it. However, that was really the way to go. As for digital, I gave up on printing at home years ago. I either ran things off my 63" printer at work (great for panoramas) or go to Costco. I think their work is beautiful. It really does look like what I see from LR. The key is to turn off the auto-correction feature.

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Jan 10, 2019 14:49:01   #
StanMac (a regular here)
 
abc1234 wrote:
And indeed it does. When I was printing color in the darkroom, exposing and developing a print took at least 15 minutes. If the temperature was off a little or the drum contaminated with blix, then I had to redo that print. I now spend about 3 minutes per picture in LR for something that is far better. No, technology is not the problem. The user who does not want to stay current is the problem. Sure, you can waste a lot of time on specific problems but, in general, the worst thing is people who fall behind because they either do not want or have the money to upgrade or think obsolete technology is good enough. And that is the answer to the original post.

In my case, I loved the darkroom but would never go back to it because today's technology gives me results that delight me a lot more.
And indeed it does. When I was printing color in ... (show quote)


To be clear, I don't dislike all the technology we use. I use a lot of it. It's just the constant, rapid churn of change in our software tools and the burden of keeping everything up to date or you end up compromised in what you want to do.

I bet that Beseler 23C (or other enlarger you used) didn't become useless every other year because of a change in the available film emulsions, nor did your "go to" film/paper developers, or the tanks/trays you developed change every other year forcing you to have to change them or buy other "stuff" to make them work as intended. The problem the OP is having is what I am lamenting about. The OP now has to acquire/buy new software to make the output of his camera compatible with the software that he already has and has used successfully in the past. Whose to say when he'll have to deal with that again when he acquires a new camera and the manufacturer of that camera has his own ideas of what the file format should be or look like. It's a never ending PITA, IMHO.

Rant closed...….

Stan

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Jan 10, 2019 18:34:39   #
abc1234
 
StanMac wrote:
To be clear, I don't dislike all the technology we use. I use a lot of it. It's just the constant, rapid churn of change in our software tools and the burden of keeping everything up to date or you end up compromised in what you want to do.

I bet that Beseler 23C (or other enlarger you used) didn't become useless every other year because of a change in the available film emulsions, nor did your "go to" film/paper developers, or the tanks/trays you developed change every other year forcing you to have to change them or buy other "stuff" to make them work as intended. The problem the OP is having is what I am lamenting about. The OP now has to acquire/buy new software to make the output of his camera compatible with the software that he already has and has used successfully in the past. Whose to say when he'll have to deal with that again when he acquires a new camera and the manufacturer of that camera has his own ideas of what the file format should be or look like. It's a never ending PITA, IMHO.

Rant closed...….

Stan
To be clear, I don't dislike all the technology we... (show quote)


Good rant. I used Durst enlargers and thought they were the best out there but that is another story. Yes, technology today moves a lot faster today and yes, you have the choice of keeping up or falling behind. No, you do not have to get every new upgrade. Whether you like it or not, technology has its own way of forging ahead and does need our permission to do so. However, I think he is five versions of PSE behind and I would not be surprised if his computer was similarly out of date. Would you expect Henry Ford to continue making spare parts for the Model T? At some point, businesses have to move on. Here is a compromise. Skip an upgrade and wait for the next one.

Funny that the OP thought nothing of upgrading his camera which was a lot more expensive than PSE. Given all the literature there, he should have researched that first.

That is my rant and I am sticking to it.

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Jan 11, 2019 07:21:57   #
anotherview (a regular here)
 
Did you do the download via Adobe Bridge?

By "it" in your comment, to what do you refer?

Whatever, if you controlled the download via Adobe Bridge, then you should see your images when viewed later in Adobe Bridge.
Richie G wrote:
This year my new years resolution was to try RAW.I set my image quality to NEF(RAW) on my Nikon D7200 and took a picture.I then down loaded it to my photo shop elements 10.i used a card reader like i always do and when done it said no image was downloaded. What am i doing wrong?

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Jan 11, 2019 08:47:49   #
WJShaheen
 
camerapapi wrote:
If you download the Nikon software (free) your life will be easier.


I routinely use ViewNX-i to browse, move, cull out images (always raw), convert to TIFF, whatever needs done, including minor enhancements, exporting. (I'm sure I could use it to transfer from my SD card but find it easy to use File Manager.)

I feel ViewNX-i is very well laid out. I don't see the need for third party software but I also use Luminar, Aurora On1.

While I'm at it, for a DAM I use ThumbsPlus for all my document management, not just photos, from http://www.cerious.com/

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Jan 11, 2019 10:30:28   #
rmalarz (a regular here)
 
Richie, congratulations of your decision to move to RAW. Sorry your first experience isn't going well, but don't let that discourage you. If you look in your file browser, Explorer in Win or Finder in Mac, can you see the file on your hard drive? If so, do you have the latest updates to Elements downloaded and installed?
--Bob

Richie G wrote:
This year my new years resolution was to try RAW.I set my image quality to NEF(RAW) on my Nikon D7200 and took a picture.I then down loaded it to my photo shop elements 10.i used a card reader like i always do and when done it said no image was downloaded. What am i doing wrong?

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Jan 11, 2019 10:32:02   #
rmalarz (a regular here)
 
I agree with using View-NX for transferring files. That's my method and has been since Jan 20, 2010.
--Bob
WJShaheen wrote:
I routinely use ViewNX-i to browse, move, cull out images (always raw), convert to TIFF, whatever needs done, including minor enhancements, exporting. (I'm sure I could use it to transfer from my SD card but find it easy to use File Manager.)

I feel ViewNX-i is very well laid out. I don't see the need for third party software but I also use Luminar, Aurora On1.

While I'm at it, for a DAM I use ThumbsPlus for all my document management, not just photos, from http://www.cerious.com/
I routinely use ViewNX-i to browse, move, cull out... (show quote)

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Jan 11, 2019 10:52:37   #
jeep_daddy (a regular here)
 
Richie G wrote:
When i go to Fix then full edit it opens the Adobe Raw Converter. But i do not have a picture to open?


Your software is too old. Simple as that. Your camera was produced after version 10 had already been replaced by a new version of software. Adobe doesn't update Elements software (support it) after a newer version has been release for sale.

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Jan 11, 2019 13:42:05   #
burkphoto (a regular here)
 
Richie G wrote:
This year my new years resolution was to try RAW.I set my image quality to NEF(RAW) on my Nikon D7200 and took a picture.I then down loaded it to my photo shop elements 10.i used a card reader like i always do and when done it said no image was downloaded. What am i doing wrong?


Using old software, most likely. PSE 10 is from 2011! That is ANCIENT HISTORY in the software world. It became obsolete soon after.

You need version 9.0 of ACR (Adobe Camera Raw) to open Nikon D7200 .NEF files. You might want to upgrade to the latest version, or buy some other software altogether.

OR, go to Adobe.com and find the Adobe DNG Converter 10.2. It makes opening NEFs a two step process, but it is free.

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Jan 11, 2019 14:59:52   #
francwoods
 
As already mentioned... the Nikon software can do the trick. Here's a link:
https://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/products/261/VCNXSP.html

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Jan 11, 2019 15:22:04   #
chrissybabe
 
The problem here is capitalism. At work in all its glory.
The companies are owned by investors (and in the US you guys would be well into this) and investors want returns. You can only have returns if customers keep buying products.
No company wants to make the perfect (insert here whatever you want) because they won't be able to sell you a new improved version later. I know for a fact that some items are sold but they only have a few of technologies improvements in them and others are left for the next model.
As consumers you have a choice, to keep up or move sideways out of society.
In fact it could be argued that it is this need to produce the next best thing is what keeps man-kinds technology advancing since we don't have any major wars pushing us along.

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Jan 11, 2019 17:27:52   #
burkphoto (a regular here)
 
chrissybabe wrote:
The problem here is capitalism. At work in all its glory.
The companies are owned by investors (and in the US you guys would be well into this) and investors want returns. You can only have returns if customers keep buying products.
No company wants to make the perfect (insert here whatever you want) because they won't be able to sell you a new improved version later. I know for a fact that some items are sold but they only have a few of technologies improvements in them and others are left for the next model.
As consumers you have a choice, to keep up or move sideways out of society.
In fact it could be argued that it is this need to produce the next best thing is what keeps man-kinds technology advancing since we don't have any major wars pushing us along.
The problem here is capitalism. At work in all its... (show quote)


Yep. If a machine or piece of software were good for 100 years or so, where would the market be?

I once worked for Platt-Saco Lowell, a company that made textile machines. They had been around in the US as Saco Lowell for over a century, and some of their original, 1880 spinning frames were still in use in mills, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, as late as 1980. They required little maintenance, and few repair parts. Eventually, the company ran out of new markets in the US and had to sell globally. Then, they ran out of global markets, and the company faltered. Stone-Platt of the UK bought them, and kept them alive making parts and the occasional one-off machine. The moral is, don't make stuff that doesn't die, or that is too reliable! While your customers will love you for keeping their costs low, you'll be out of business once the market is saturated.

That's why we have to keep buying new cables, cords, connectors, drives, computers, software, etc. every few years... Without the periodic replacement of a whole wave of technology with a new wave, there would be no Apple, Adobe, Microsoft...

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