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Jan 11, 2019 15:44:21   #
gypsy02 Loc: Indiana
 
Linda From Maine wrote:


I feel fortunate to have connected with several talented members here, early in my membership, who encouraged my exploration in the digital darkroom. Now it's a joyful part of the hobby.

The silhouettes in #1 are all home-made "stamp-brushes" made from my own pics


A very nice composite! Thanks for sharing. I've been interested in trying to make "stamp -brushes" or overlays from some of my photos but haven't tried it yet. Perhaps you could do a tutorial on your process of making these.

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Jan 11, 2019 15:44:36   #
dione961
 
[quote=duane klipping]SOOC to me is a snapshot with no real vision.

I'm a novice so I may be misunderstanding the above part of your view (I agree digicams process in-camera so no issue there).

The thing is, I've shot thousands of images all over the world using the best cameras I can afford (& not mobile phone cams), and in almost all cases, I've take a good while to "see" what I'm trying to capture: what's a cool angle; where is the light & what qualities does it have; how are shadows affecting the view; is there "junk" in the shot (trash, hoses, signs, wires.....); what's the "story" here or, why take this" shot.

So I have a vision for most of my shots. BUT, I've only ever adjusted the horizon and cropped after a shot as I've not had PP software and no skill to alter an image more than that (PSE on the way!!). So I'm a learner photographer, and I'm OK that people think my pics are snapshots - doesn't make a difference what they're called - but even as a 99% non-post processor my snapshots still have a vision behind them.

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Jan 11, 2019 15:49:23   #
Insp Gadget Loc: St Louis area
 
tdekany wrote:
Adjust your shutter speed


so I've been at 1/1200 and at 200. the only place it shows up is when there is a darker object behind it even though it is quite evident to the eye. it must be part of the camera logic to eliminate "unwanted" noise.

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Jan 11, 2019 15:51:11   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
tdekany wrote:
Adjust your shutter speed



(Your mind extrapolates, the camera does not.)

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Jan 11, 2019 15:55:59   #
Oly Guy
 
I personally believe that trying to use common editing is making the photo look a bit better-also removing wires etc also is fine- I stop at adding things that were not in the original photo such as a moon or a wolf etc. But that becomes an individual matter. I do think the artist should inform the viewer of the addition.

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Jan 11, 2019 15:57:37   #
dione961
 
[quote=Bipod].......Contemporary photography has no new vision........

Though many photographers have a vision for their own work that has nothing to do with the technology used to create that vision.

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Jan 11, 2019 16:00:05   #
Insp Gadget Loc: St Louis area
 
I'll start a new thread on my snow topic. Thought it might be quick and this seemed to be a very active thread. Pardon the intrusion once again.

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Jan 11, 2019 16:11:33   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
srt101fan wrote:
Bill, if you change "often" to "sometimes" I might agree with you!


Okay, I’ll buy that!

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Jan 11, 2019 16:27:17   #
artBob Loc: Near Chicago
 
Art is quirky, and contemporary art especially so, BECAUSE it must make a significant statement about the culture/times it is created in, as well as being the first in some significant way.

Up to the time of Duchamps' urinal, part of the requirements were also that composition and technique had to be good. Doing something new with technique and composition had to be filtered in with the other requirements, and eventually recognized as good, even though often at the time it was thought poor technique. Think Impressionism, which was rejected from the prestigious Salon, or, in music, Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring," which had rotten fruit thrown at its debut.

Duchamps. Ah, while I understand why it's Art, my personal response is "Ya took the easy way out, Bud, and screwed up peoples' attraction to Art at the same time."

The urinal ("Fountain") was an expression of the rebellion felt all over Europe by the avant garde, that the vaunted Enlightenment and European Culture had totally failed among the decomposing bodies and gas of WWI. Truth, Beauty, and The Good were rejected.

As for today, entertainment and status dominate the culture, and that is what you will see in much of the artwork. A good book to read is Fischl's "Bad Boy," where this artist describes the path of his work form the same time selling for $5000.00, then being discovered by all the right people, going to $50,000, then to $5M---then back down to a "mere" $50,000.00

It will not be known for 50 or so years what is really good Art. Meanwhile, I suggest: hang in there, enjoy, and ask "Why?" from time to time.

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Jan 11, 2019 16:38:49   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
gypsy02 wrote:
A very nice composite! Thanks for sharing. I've been interested in trying to make "stamp -brushes" or overlays from some of my photos but haven't tried it yet. Perhaps you could do a tutorial on your process of making these.
It was surprisingly simple! Here is the tutorial. Be sure to read all 3 pages of the thread: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-552238-1.html

Let me know if you have any questions.

btw, I only saw your comment to me accidentally as I'd stopped watching this topic. In future, probably best to be aware of how many pages a thread has already run and send private message if you don't hear back from a public request

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Jan 11, 2019 16:43:41   #
Bipod
 
tdekany wrote:
The end result has nothing to do with what camera was used or what size sensor. A photo either grabs our attention or it doesn’t.

No new vision? What an arrogant statement. And it comes from someone who has posted not a single photo.

Since when are you to speak for the rest of us? Who put you in charge to decide what we like, or what we find original? First of all, you, like any one of us, has seen less than a trace of what is being created daily. Or are you trying to claim that you see very single photo taken every day? I didn’t think so.

And please stop with the camera company BS. Advertising features doesn’t make people think that they are going to become professionals.

All this nonsense, yet no photos from you personally. I wonder why. You will never convince anyone by badmouthing. Haven’t you learned that yet? Let your work speak for itself.
The end result has nothing to do with what camera ... (show quote)

Nothing but insults, tdekany?

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Jan 11, 2019 16:51:57   #
Bipod
 
User ID wrote:
1. Photogrphy is NOT "real".

2. PP has been necessary since the demise
of the daguerreotype.

3. Online forums are full of pompous jerks
[but those are semi-OK when read as just
entertainment .... ]

.

Nothing but insults, UserID?

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Jan 11, 2019 16:55:38   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Bipod wrote:
Nothing but insults, tdekany?


This is what you wrote: NO NEW VISION

With that statement, you insulted the entire photography community in every single country on this planet.

You maybe the biggest narcissistic personality I have EVER encountered on any photo forum and trust me, there were a couple of them here on UHH, that were terrible. Thanks to the admin, they have been banned and they are long gone.

On another note, for a change, try not to ignore what was said to you, grow a pair and address the issue.

Why is it ok for you to insult others? Don’t bother, I know that it is inconceivable for you to think that you ever say anything that you shouldn’t.

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Jan 11, 2019 17:05:33   #
srt101fan
 
AndyH wrote:
Art and craft serve different masters. MOMA is filled with utilitarian objects that fulfill Louis Sullivan's maxim, Form Follows Function. It is also full of beautiful things that do not fulfill any function.

If you've ever sat in an Eames chair, and then in a Wassily Chair, you'll know that design trumping actual comfort is not a good place to plant your backside. If you've lived in a leaky Frank Lloyd Wright house or a dark LeCorbusier flat, you'll realize that there is a difference between great art and great design. An Eames chair as a sculpture is a beautiful thing, worthy of display, it's just not a very good chair.

The analogy to photography is this. Pure "Art" photographs can be admired for all sorts of reasons, and from all sorts of aesthetic viewpoints. The gauzy pictorialists of the early 20th century and Diane Arbus both represent aesthetic viewpoints, but both are often dismissed as poor craft by those with different viewpoints. But these aren't craft - they are not designed to sell a product, please a portrait client, or depict a journalistic event.

So can the photojournalist or commercial photographer create art? Of course. Look at some of AA's "product shots" and portraits, or almost any of the great shots form Life magazine's 70+ year run. Don't tell me the famous photo of the sailor kissing the nurse in Times Square or the child fleeing the napalm attack are not art.

I like many different artistic viewpoints, and I do try to open my mind to new ones and new aesthetics. But yes, the snooty world of fine art can sometimes be so pretentious that the aesthetic becomes laughable.

With no disrespect to the artist, his family, or his many admirers (which included Andy Warhol), I present to you the little known (to me) works of the artist Fred Sandback, a minimalist whose "installations" of yarn and string, accopanied by "installation sketches" archivally framed and matted (sketches on yellow legal pads for the most part), were the main feature of the Fred Sandback Museum, in the small, working class town of Winchendon, Massachusetts for more than ten years. The grand opening, in 1981 saw Warhol and other glitterati flying in to attend, and I toured it a few days later with an artist friend. Each room featured yarn strung from one surface to another, one room had only a single strand running from wall to ceiling. When we entered it to view the installation, there were a couple of Sandback admirers vigorously arguing whether the string lying on the floor was a part of the installation, and if so, what its meaning might be. By the time we returned through that room, the custodian had apparently answered the question with a dry mop.

My point is simply this - enjoy whatever aesthetic and look pleases you, but please don't force it down the throats or others. And please don't look down on others who have a completely different aesthetic, even if it's admiration for a piece of yarn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Sandback
Art and craft serve different masters. MOMA is fil... (show quote)


Great contribution to the never-ending "What is Art" discussion, whether it's a photographic masterpiece or a piece of yarn on the floor!

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Jan 11, 2019 17:11:47   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Linda From Maine wrote:

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btw, I only saw your comment to me accidentally as I'd stopped watching this topic. In future, probably best to be aware of how many pages a thread has already run and send private message if you don't hear back from a public request



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