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Jan 11, 2019 09:30:18   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Most excellent, thank you Gene! It can oftentimes be helpful to understand why people say the ridiculous and confounding things they say within these mustard yellow pages


So right. Maybe those who always think they know what's up will realize they are just a person with a belief many times void of facts.

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Jan 11, 2019 09:34:33   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
f8lee wrote:
Well, the thing those who claim SOOC "is the only way" are obviously ignorant of is that Ansel Adams (and his team) were renowned for his post processing capabilities in the darkroom.

Stop quoting your God please

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Jan 11, 2019 09:37:32   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
I'll weigh in here, although I know probably 90% of y'all will disagree with me. I'm neither. I do try to get things right in-camera, as doing so gives me credibility as a photographer. I may use LR or PS to make adjustments to try to bring the resulting photo to the point of expressing as nearly as possible what I saw. I draw the line at adding elements that were not there. I do sometimes subtract things like wires and posts that are in the way of my subject or distract from it. My mission in photography is to carefully record what God made. To add elements to a scene would violate that mission. To subtract man-made distracting elements from a nature scene does not violate it. Other people have different missions and different purposes. I enjoy their "playfulness" even though I wouldn't do it myself.

I do not think my way is better - just different.

Also, I really hate doing PP work! I'm so overjoyed when I open a RAW image and see that I don't have to touch it!

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Jan 11, 2019 09:37:58   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Agree 100% but these types of conversations on UHH - as you've already seen - don't seem to change anyone's beliefs. There appears to be a large contingent of members who have forgotten how much you could and would "edit" via the wet darkroom, and who are judgmental about anything to do with digital photography outside their narrow personal vision. On the other hand, some folks just like to argue!

I feel fortunate to have connected with several talented members here, early in my membership, who encouraged my exploration in the digital darkroom. Now it's a joyful part of the hobby.

The silhouettes in #1 are all home-made "stamp-brushes" made from my own pics
Agree 100% but these types of conversations on UHH... (show quote)


Are you saying you never took this photo like it is? So a newbie couldn’t go out and shoot a photo like that? You put different pics together? I’m wondering if the veiwer should be told this so they wouldn’t get discouraged

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Jan 11, 2019 09:38:39   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
I guess if we think we are artists we think one way and if we are technicians we think a perfect reproduction done be the camera. To each his/hers own.

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Jan 11, 2019 09:40:26   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
davyboy wrote:
Are you saying you never took this photo like it is? So a newbie couldn’t go out and shoot a photo like that? You put different pics together? I’m wondering if the veiwer should be told this so they wouldn’t get discouraged
What is not clear about my last sentence in what you quoted:

"The silhouettes are all home-made "stamp-brushes" made from my own pics"

(other than I didn't edit out the #1 reference when I decided not to post two shots )

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Jan 11, 2019 09:49:28   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
dsmeltz wrote:
?!?! Subscribing to prejudice without rational basis (contrary to actual facts) is NOT OK. Responsible adults try to recognize their own cognitive dissonance and seek to settle it through self examination. WHen it occurs in a "field" then through examination, study and peer review.


Yes, and there are many beliefs(prejudices) that will lead you to believe only those that you think are correct. Love the term "self-examination" if you believe you are correct what will the end result is going to be? How do you think your premise about study and peer review will play out in the coming year between Democrats and Republicans? Will the level of dissonance continue or subside? It is their beliefs their prejudices that will continue to separate them. Much like those who believe that a picture can be art vs those who think it is a picture.

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Jan 11, 2019 09:49:33   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
ngrea wrote:
Reading a Hog conversation that gọt a little warm about whether post processing removes the pure “art” from photography. It seems some think photography must be SOOC to be “real”.
It seems to me the post processing could be interpreted as being similar to what a painter or sculptor does. Is a blob of paint SOOT (straight out of the tube) more “authentic” than the final painting the artist does? Is the sculpture of less merit than the block of granite?
The color and the granite are both genuine, and can covey a message without manipulation, but the artist that changes them also brings us something from his/her mind and heart that conveys or evokes emotion.
A photograph never captures the view exactly the same as experiencing it in person. It conveys something of the photographers interaction with the scene (think Impressionism). And I enjoy abstract and highly manipulated photos that are completely unidentifiable as to the subject, just as I do an abstract painting.
So, I say let each person do and enjoy and share photography however they want. All approaches are equally valid.
Reading a Hog conversation that gọt a little warm ... (show quote)


I certainly agree with that! Whatever works... I’m not going to care how the author or photographer or artist did it.

The medium is not the message. It merely carries it. Choose appropriately. Then ask, “Does it (or did I) communicate?”

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Jan 11, 2019 09:51:51   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Picture Taker wrote:
I guess if we think we are artists we think one way and if we are technicians we think a perfect reproduction done be the camera. To each his/hers own.


A technician seeks to perfect the use of a tool. An artist uses tools to seek the perfection of the work.

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Jan 11, 2019 09:53:08   #
rborud Loc: Minnesota
 
R.G. wrote:
Professionals and hobbyists typically have different mind-sets, and there's a reason for it. Professionals have to concentrate on giving the client what they're looking for, which typically means working to the highest possible technical standards. Hobbyists, on the other hand, concentrate on whatever they please and only have to suit themselves as far as technical standards are concerned. Most professional photographers aren't in a position where artistic interpretation or creative thinking are required, so it's not something they prioritise. On the other hand, we hobbyists can give ourselves free rein and be as artistic and creative as we want.

From the above observations I have concluded that the creatives can't look to the professionals and assume that they can expect understanding, appreciation and appropriate advice from them. Some professionals can and will show these attributes, but I suspect they are a minority. So the creatives have to be self-reassuring to a point, and have to learn to ignore negative criticisms about technical imperfections because that isn't what the creative prioritises. Some hobbyists aspire to producing professional-level photography so technical standards are important to them, but the creatives march to a different tune. If they can avoid disasters and come away with something usable, that's good enough for them.
Professionals and hobbyists typically have differe... (show quote)

R.G. HERE, HERE my feelings exactly dream on!!

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Jan 11, 2019 09:54:30   #
srt101fan
 
-------------------------------------------------------- ART? ----------------------------------------------------------



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Jan 11, 2019 09:58:59   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
DaveJ wrote:
On the digital camera's I have owned the last 10 years, SOOC has post processing done "in camera" before spitting out the results. My current camera body has more adjustments available in camera than I could believe when I first got it and set it up. I read the comments with a laugh as it goes back and forth for and against. Just my opinion.


I grew up in a black-and-white darkroom. Then I made slides for a living for eight years. That’s analogous to raw and JPEG.

I still use both approaches. JPEG capture requires careful PRE-processing. Raw capture benefits from that, but still requires POST-processing. Both approaches have major advantages, but for totally different applications and situations.

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Jan 11, 2019 10:00:43   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
srt101fan wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------- ART? ----------------------------------------------------------


Design. An artfully designed urinal.

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Jan 11, 2019 10:08:27   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
srt101fan wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------- ART? ----------------------------------------------------------


The photo requires us to look at this object in a new way. So, yes.

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Jan 11, 2019 10:09:30   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
AzPicLady wrote:
I'll weigh in here, although I know probably 90% of y'all will disagree with me. I'm neither. I do try to get things right in-camera, as doing so gives me credibility as a photographer. I may use LR or PS to make adjustments to try to bring the resulting photo to the point of expressing as nearly as possible what I saw. I draw the line at adding elements that were not there. I do sometimes subtract things like wires and posts that are in the way of my subject or distract from it. My mission in photography is to carefully record what God made. To add elements to a scene would violate that mission. To subtract man-made distracting elements from a nature scene does not violate it. Other people have different missions and different purposes. I enjoy their "playfulness" even though I wouldn't do it myself.

I do not think my way is better - just different.

Also, I really hate doing PP work! I'm so overjoyed when I open a RAW image and see that I don't have to touch it!
I'll weigh in here, although I know probably 90% o... (show quote)

Wow you put it beautifully!

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