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Dec 16, 2018 23:49:35   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
I sometimes think that when you start adjusting the body dimensions you are getting close (well, not really, but you are on the way) to just creating a body with pixels. Start with a skin-toned blob and start stretching it out into arms and legs, pinch it at the waist, add some hair and facial features, do a bit of shading for contours... It does depend on the extent of the manipulation, and I agree that the tummy-tuck does make the pose look better, but at some point you have to admit that the outcome is no longer the model that posed for the photo.

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Dec 17, 2018 00:08:11   #
elee950021 Loc: New York, NY
 
JohnFrim wrote:
I sometimes think that when you start adjusting the body dimensions you are getting close (well, not really, but you are on the way) to just creating a body with pixels. Start with a skin-toned blob and start stretching it out into arms and legs, pinch it at the waist, add some hair and facial features, do a bit of shading for contours... It does depend on the extent of the manipulation, and I agree that the tummy-tuck does make the pose look better, but at some point you have to admit that the outcome is no longer the model that posed for the photo.
I sometimes think that when you start adjusting th... (show quote)


John!

My feelings on the matter is to try to make the model look as well as possible. Very often, a model might be inexperienced, nervous, tired or just doesn't understand the photographer's concept or theme. A shooter might not be familiar with posing and/or human anatomy and also inexperienced with lighting. Together, we get mediocre images. I enjoyed working with this image as a personal challenge and to keep my skills sharp. The procedure might help others to avoid this type of pose and bright, contrasty lighting. I know I learned something from this excercise! Cheers. Ed

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Dec 17, 2018 00:14:28   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
elee950021 wrote:
John!

My feelings on the matter is to try to make the model look as well as possible. Very often, a model might be inexperienced, nervous, tired or just doesn't understand the photographer's concept or theme. A shooter might not be familiar with posing and/or human anatomy and also inexperienced with lighting. Together, we get mediocre images. I enjoyed working with this image as a personal challenge and to keep my skills sharp. The procedure might help others to avoid this type of pose and bright, contrasty lighting. I know I learned something from this excercise! Cheers. Ed
John! br br My feelings on the matter is to try t... (show quote)

My comment was clearly a stretch, but I recall years ago already seeing some pretty extensive -- but excellent -- PP on a model. Skin blemishes totally cleared up, waist line changed, finger length adjusted, mouth straightened, eyes realigned, etc. The new girl looked terrific, but almost getting to the point of not recognizing the original model. We have seen a few examples on this site of human-like figures done entirely via computer graphics and the results are very, very impressive in some cases. I expect that as computer hardware and software get even more powerful it will become difficult to distinguish fantasy from reality.

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Dec 17, 2018 01:19:46   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
The original image is poignant. The model has a waifish look about her and the setting is bleak. One can imagine her looking back at someone who has thrown her out, naked into the wilderness, to fend for herself.

The shape of her body may not be attractive to everyone, but perhaps that's not the mission of the image. Editing tools are impressive but I have to agree with John Firm on this one, changing the contours of the body is a bit much.

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Dec 17, 2018 10:12:51   #
RogStrix Loc: UK
 
RogStrix wrote:
Think I might be tempted to crop to a head and shoulders shot? On my phone at present so will have to wait till Monday...


been busy today but this is an example of what I mean... she has such an expressive face you hardly need the rest of the picture?



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Dec 17, 2018 13:51:50   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
RogStrix wrote:
been busy today but this is an example of what I mean... she has such an expressive face you hardly need the rest of the picture?


Like it.

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Dec 17, 2018 14:56:25   #
RogStrix Loc: UK
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
Like it.



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Dec 18, 2018 08:49:54   #
RogStrix Loc: UK
 
a less hurried version, but still not perfect...



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Dec 18, 2018 13:16:16   #
Stardust Loc: Central Illinois
 
JohnFrim wrote:
at some point you have to admit that the outcome is no longer the model that posed for the photo.
That starts the moment the model begins to apply make-up, photographer softens the lighting, the camera clicks, the picture is opened in PhotoShop, we crop, etc. There are actually people out here that believe those centerfolds of Playboy actually existed that way or models in fashion magazines actually look that way. I understand your point, we are just discussing degree of change. We all have points on the path we stop. I prefer "natural" photos but have no problem removing a telephone pole or wire from a travel photo.

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Jan 9, 2019 10:36:34   #
olBadger
 
buckwheat wrote:
I'm sure I'm not the only one who can look at a picture for hours and not see a glaring problem. Good idea! One of my biggest issues is separating her torso from the background.


Part of the problem I see in doing that in this shot is:

Her breasts are on the smaller side (NOT an insult toward her, or a fault of hers, just observation of subject), and the front is in shadow due to her being half-turned. That along with the half-turned torso really narrows out the natural line of her shape as we rise up from her more rounded (and quite nice) bottom, giving her something of a bottled or eggplant shape from the butt up.

So, trying to make that darker, sleeker aspect of her form pop out against the more rounded and very well-lit aspect of her butt....very hard to do - especially given the texture of the grasses and such.

I'm thinking you might almost end up with a shot you like better by moving to B&W, and working with your contrasts, *shrug*

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Jan 9, 2019 18:17:48   #
olBadger
 
olBadger wrote:

I'm thinking you might almost end up with a shot you like better by moving to B&W, and working with your contrasts, *shrug*



Say something like this. Else...reshoot with a different pose, or seriously crop and use one major aspect of the entire shot.


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Jan 11, 2019 15:47:07   #
stlborn
 
my version, just a quick try. could have done better on selecting the left foot.



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