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Dec 16, 2018 00:59:53   #
jamesl
 
jonjacobik wrote:
While taking photos under ideal conditions is always the best way, sometimes you gotta stretch the light, use a high ISO to get the shot. I've tried a bunch of software to eliminate noise, but wondering if you know a better one.
Light Room - just not much help
Photoshop - A lot of features but the trade sharpness is servere
Topaz - Not bad if you get their pro add-in but still a trade off.
Photolemur - some, but I never the overall look
Luminar - better than Photoshop but difficult
Corel PSP - Newest version is pretty good

Seems like in this ai age, someone would have better.

What do like?
While taking photos under ideal conditions is alwa... (show quote)


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Have you tried DxO's Prime Noise Removal?

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Dec 16, 2018 09:21:58   #
jonjacobik
 
jamesl wrote:
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Have you tried DxO's Prime Noise Removal?

Yes, I have a copy of DxO Photolab 2, incorporating Prime NR. It blurs the entire photo with no recourse except to undo it.

Topaz DeNoise 6, as a PS plug-in, let's me use heavy NR over the photo, then remove it from the subject leaving my bird, duck, or rabit as clear and sharp as possible.

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Dec 16, 2018 12:08:24   #
tomcat
 
jonjacobik wrote:
Yes, I have a copy of DxO Photolab 2, incorporating Prime NR. It blurs the entire photo with no recourse except to undo it.

Topaz DeNoise 6, as a PS plug-in, let's me use heavy NR over the photo, then remove it from the subject leaving my bird, duck, or rabit as clear and sharp as possible.


Have you tried Topaz AI Clear? Works the best for my high ISO work

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Dec 16, 2018 14:23:23   #
User ID (a regular here)
 
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TriX wrote:

Well, in fairness, these are not the conditions that M43 was
designed for and no amount PP is going to make this both
noise - free and sharp. This is where you need that big sensor
and fast lens to deliver a sharp, low noise shot.

You think m43 was not designed for that ? As if
it was "designed for" something else ? ROTFL !

It was "designed to" do whatever I make it do :-)
And it has never let me down.

You seem to have a problem with Perfection .....
as in, not apprehending it when it confronts you !


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Dec 16, 2018 14:36:15   #
TriX (a regular here)
 
User ID wrote:
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You think m43 was not designed for that ? As if
it was "designed for" something else ? ROTFL !

It was "designed to" do whatever I make it do :-)
And it has never let me down.

You seem to have a problem with Perfection .....
as in, not apprehending it when it confronts you !


As I’m sure you know, format size is a compromise - smaller=lighter camera/lenses and lower cost=worse high ISO performance. Sounds like a design decision to me.

Now regarding the high ISO M43 shot you posted (the musician in the bar or the nighttime shot you just added) are YOU satisfied with the sharpness and noise, and do you consider that perfection? If so, God bless and carry on, but they wouldn’t satisfy me, even with all the noise reduction you can muster.

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Dec 16, 2018 14:58:53   #
User ID (a regular here)
 
TriX wrote:


Nice. Now let’s see it at ISO 16,000 and 1/160 on the
same sensor. Better yet, ISO 12,800, 1/500 and f2 (or
1/250 a f2.8) because that’s the typical indoor, low light,
subject in action conditions I mean when I say high ISO,
low light, and I recommend large sensors and fast lenses



Here ya go. ISO 12,800, f:2.2@1/125. I know you wanted
1/500 sec and so I asked the venue to turn on a few more
lights, but they gave me a weird look .... so, no 1/500 :-(

There are no noise fixers involved here. It's "au naturale".
One possible "fix" would be to update the tech, as this is a
couple generations behind ... like replace the old GX7 with
a new GX9. But OTOH, why mess with perfection ?

Now, I appreciate that you love your bigger sensors and
fancy noise fixers, so the second image is especially for
you. Again, I couldn't get you your 1/500 sec ... it's only
a 2.8 lens ... but here's your 24x36 sensor at ISO 10,000.
Not the latest tech, but more recent and with multi image
noise tech ... so the noise doesn't wake the neighbors ;-)

And the moral of the story is: No matter what size sensor
and what noise tech you bring, you'll always wind up with
a weird expression on the drummer. So sensor size simply
does NOT matter !


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Dec 16, 2018 15:22:14   #
User ID (a regular here)
 
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TriX wrote:

..... even with all the noise reduction you can muster.

Thaz the thing. I use little to none at all. No problem.

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Dec 16, 2018 15:34:43   #
TriX (a regular here)
 
User ID wrote:
Here ya go. ISO 12,800, f:2.2@1/125. I know you wanted
1/500 sec and so I asked the venue to turn on a few more
lights, but they gave me a weird look .... so, no 1/500 :-(

There are no noise fixers involved here. It's "au naturale".
One possible "fix" would be to update the tech, as this is a
couple generations behind ... like replace the old GX7 with
a new GX9. But OTOH, why mess with perfection ?

Now, I appreciate that you love your bigger sensors and
fancy noise fixers, so the second image is especially for
you. Again, I couldn't get you your 1/500 sec ... it's only
a 2.8 lens ... but here's your 24x36 sensor at ISO 10,000.
Not the latest tech, but more recent and with multi image
noise tech ... so the noise doesn't wake the neighbors ;-)

And the moral of the story is: No matter what size sensor
and what noise tech you bring, you'll always wind up with
a weird expression on the drummer. So sensor size simply
does NOT matter !
Here ya go. ISO 12,800, f:2.2@1/125. I know you wa... (show quote)


Well, I can’t help with the drummer’s expression! 😩. Now if you truly believe that sensor size has no effect on noise and that low light/action photographers are choosing M43 (which is an excellent format for many applications), I guess we will agree to disagree and call it a day.

Cheers.

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Dec 16, 2018 15:36:17   #
User ID (a regular here)
 
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TriX wrote:
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Cheers.

Yup. Keep calm and carry on !

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