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Dec 14, 2018 09:12:25   #
jonjacobik Loc: Quincy, MA
 
While taking photos under ideal conditions is always the best way, sometimes you gotta stretch the light, use a high ISO to get the shot. I've tried a bunch of software to eliminate noise, but wondering if you know a better one.
Light Room - just not much help
Photoshop - A lot of features but the trade sharpness is servere
Topaz - Not bad if you get their pro add-in but still a trade off.
Photolemur - some, but I never the overall look
Luminar - better than Photoshop but difficult
Corel PSP - Newest version is pretty good

Seems like in this ai age, someone would have better.

What do like?

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Dec 14, 2018 09:25:12   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
DXO

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Dec 14, 2018 09:26:42   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
jonjacobik wrote:
While taking photos under ideal conditions is always the best way, sometimes you gotta stretch the light, use a high ISO to get the shot. I've tried a bunch of software to eliminate noise, but wondering if you know a better one.
Light Room - just not much help
Photoshop - A lot of features but the trade sharpness is servere
Topaz - Not bad if you get their pro add-in but still a trade off.
Photolemur - some, but I never the overall look
Luminar - better than Photoshop but difficult
Corel PSP - Newest version is pretty good

Seems like in this ai age, someone would have better.

What do like?
While taking photos under ideal conditions is alwa... (show quote)

Also NeatImage and a couple more. They all do the same thing - remove noise by reducing sharpness. There is no magic bullet.

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Dec 14, 2018 09:32:57   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Not as inexpensive as NR SW, but if you shoot a lot of low light/high ISO, the largest sensor and fastest lenses you can afford will help mitigate the issue (less noise at high ISOs to repair). So far, I like Topaz, but have only used NIK and PS as comparisons.

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Dec 14, 2018 09:53:09   #
DNW
 
I use PT Photo Editor. It's free and has a bunch of tools to use. You'll have to search on your own search engine to get it.

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Dec 14, 2018 09:55:25   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Don't rely on ISO. Shoot RAW.

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Dec 14, 2018 09:58:39   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Don't rely on ISO. Shoot RAW.

EBTR gives you only about one extra stop. That doesn't really help much with noise.

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Dec 14, 2018 10:02:14   #
47greyfox Loc: Erie, Colorado
 
I find tweaking luminescence in any software that has the slider addresses my noise issues in the vast majority of cases. Then, maybe a little sharpness adjust. I assume you’re shooting in raw? How high an ISO?

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Dec 14, 2018 10:14:25   #
Fotoartist Loc: Pleasant Ridge, Michigan
 
Adobe Camera Raw converter, Nik Dfine Pro, and Photoshop's Reduce Noise filter are all that I use.
Sometimes I use all three together for stubborn cases. However, when I'm being that aggressive with noise reduction, I use it on a separate layer with a mask to be able to hold sharpness and detail in critical areas.

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Dec 14, 2018 10:59:25   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
selmslie wrote:
EBTR gives you only about one extra stop. That doesn't really help much with noise.


One stop doesn't help!???!

Really!???

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Dec 14, 2018 11:15:58   #
Blurryeyed Loc: Daytona Bch, FL
 
jonjacobik wrote:
While taking photos under ideal conditions is always the best way, sometimes you gotta stretch the light, use a high ISO to get the shot. I've tried a bunch of software to eliminate noise, but wondering if you know a better one.
Light Room - just not much help
Photoshop - A lot of features but the trade sharpness is servere
Topaz - Not bad if you get their pro add-in but still a trade off.
Photolemur - some, but I never the overall look
Luminar - better than Photoshop but difficult
Corel PSP - Newest version is pretty good

Seems like in this ai age, someone would have better.

What do like?
While taking photos under ideal conditions is alwa... (show quote)


I am not sure how you use your images but if it is for digital display I can share something that I recently learned that is of great help. Reducing the size of your image reduces the noise. I often shoot with a Canon 5DSr and love to shoot eagles in flight, the dark feathers of the eagles with their lighter colored fringe are a challenge to capture with fast shutter speeds, I often shoot at ISO 400 to 640 which may not sound high but the challenge of these birds is capturing the dark bodies without blowing out the detail of their white heads and tail feathers. Their darker feathers often exhibit noise similar to that found in the shadows of some images but luckily many of the images are so large even after cropping that when displayed at 100% they are much larger than I need to display, dropping down from 300ppi that the images are imported into Photoshop at to 100-125ppi does a great deal of good in reducing the digital noise.

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Dec 14, 2018 12:03:53   #
ChristianHJensen
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Don't rely on ISO. Shoot RAW.


??????

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Dec 14, 2018 12:16:03   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
dsmeltz wrote:
One stop doesn't help!???!

Really!???

I recognize that this is a controversial topic.

I have found that with Nikon and Sony cameras, just before the blinkies start and the JPEG highlights start to blow out, there is only about one stop left before the raw file blows out.

See https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-562935-1.html and https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-563340-1.html for the Nikon tests (there are two more threads for Sony)

Don't believe what anyone tells you, including me. I suggest that you do your own testing.

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Dec 14, 2018 15:01:27   #
jonjacobik Loc: Quincy, MA
 
Why the problem? I shoot a lot of wildlife, often from forests and no always on sunny days and frequently late in the day. I start with my camera settings ISO 1000 at 1/2000 and RAW! I never shoot jpg it cuts into burst mode ability. If I'm shooting swallows, I might bump the speed to 1/3200 and I might even push the iso to 1600. Either way, there will be noise.

When I open my images in Adobe Bridge, they are dark. First step, exposure +3, shawdow +3 simply can't be helped.

To the cynics out there are lots of ways to shoot wildlife and control the lighting, kill it, take it in doors and stuff it, but that's not I want to do it.

I didn't ask how stop noise, only how do you fix it.

All those made suggestions - thanks.

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Dec 14, 2018 16:43:56   #
ChristianHJensen
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I am not sure how you use your images but if it is for digital display I can share something that I recently learned that is of great help. Reducing the size of your image reduces the noise. I often shoot with a Canon 5DSr and love to shoot eagles in flight, the dark feathers of the eagles with their lighter colored fringe are a challenge to capture with fast shutter speeds, I often shoot at ISO 400 to 640 which may not sound high but the challenge of these birds is capturing the dark bodies without blowing out the detail of their white heads and tail feathers. Their darker feathers often exhibit noise similar to that found in the shadows of some images but luckily many of the images are so large even after cropping that when displayed at 100% they are much larger than I need to display, dropping down from 300ppi that the images are imported into Photoshop at to 100-125ppi does a great deal of good in reducing the digital noise.
I am not sure how you use your images but if it is... (show quote)


If you get a lot of digital noise at ISO 400 to 640 there is something seriously wrong with your camera

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