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Oct 28, 2018 21:40:59   #
rochephoto
 
I have had a few dozen full frame Canon DSLRs since I started using them on location and in the studio starting in 2002. They’ve been used by myself and freelancers that I hire. I have never had a shutter go out. I have a feeling that extreme or abusive use may be a large part of the problem. Shooting in continuous mode at 4000 of a second or thumping the camera around certainly won’t do the shutter any favors. Another thing is regular servicing. Many photographers don’t service their cameras until they break. You wouldn’t own a Porsche and not take it in until the engine fails, would you?? I have my cameras on a regular service schedule with CPS. Lastly, with the rapid turn over of technology in cameras you shouldn’t hang on to them too long. Ideally you want to roll them over when they still retain 50-60% of their purchase value.

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Oct 28, 2018 22:13:51   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
mwsilvers wrote:
I would think using a camera regularly for high speed sports and action at 10 fps, like my Canon 7D Mark II, would "use up" the shutter much faster then time lapse would.


I too have a 7D mk II and I don't use it for time lapse projects. I use my older DSLR'S for doing time lapse. I'm really not worried or concerned about shutter failure. I've been doing time lapse for years and have not had a shutter fail yet. One of the reasons I rarely sell an older camera is I put them to use on a stationary tripod. I have no problem setting up a camera for a multi month time lapse project. All I need to do is change the batteries when needed.

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Oct 28, 2018 22:44:21   #
Bipod
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I was reading in a post on time lapse photography that some people recommend not using a good camera to do time lapse because it will prematurely wear out your shutter. I have read several books on time lapse and none of them have ever brought up wearing out your cameras shutter.
In doing some research on the issue I've determined that the camera manufacturers really don't know how many actuations a shutter can take prior to failure. Apparently when they, the manufacturer, say a shutter is rated for 150,000 actuations, what it means is they have tested that particular shutter to a minimum of 150,000 actuations and have not had a failure. The shutter could fail at 150,003 or it could keep going for another 95,000 actuations or for some miraculous reason, just keep on klicking for a very long time, until eventually it finally fails. I believe I read it costs on average around $150 to $300 to replace a shutter, depending on make and model.

Now don't get me wrong here; if you can afford a separate camera just for time lapse, all the better. I personally generally use an older camera, one that I don't take out shooting anymore, like a 40D or 50D or 60D, for longer time lapse projects, but since my newer cameras have built in intervalometers, I will use one of them for short term time lapse projects.

Bottom line is, I wouldn't be overly concerned about wearing out your shutter, unless you are planning on doing a whole lot of time lapse projects, in which case I strongly recommend you get a camera that has an electronic shutter option; no mechanical shutter to wear out.

Also, many of my long term time lapse projects only require maybe 4 exposures an hour which comes to around 2900 for an entire month and that's not really all that many. Of course some take more and some less.
I was reading in a post on time lapse photography ... (show quote)

None of these manufactuer's ratings are independently verified. Like so much else today, it's a liar's contest.

Are you talking about slowing down motion, or speeding it up? Normally, "time-lapse" means speeding up
motion. So you are exposing every few seoconds, minutes or hours. It takes a long time to wear out your
shutter that way.

Also, you didn't say what type of camera.

DSLRs have focal plane shutters. The best ones are titanium blades. The titanium blade shutter in my
mid-1970s Nikon F2 Photomic still works great. God only knows how many exposures it's taken. But even the
cloth screen shutters last for decades. My c. 1970 Minolta SRT-101's shutter still works fine. I have a leaf shutter
camera from 1916 that still works fine.

What usually kills shutters is that the lubricants dry out. But high quality modern cameras are all lubricated with
synthetic oils. When I recondition a shutter. I only use Swiss-made Moebius Synt-a-Lube watch and clock oils.
Some leaf shutters require a more viscus oil to restrain the speed. But all these top-quality syntehtic oils last decades.
My cameras will outlast me--without a doubt.

With proper maintenance, it's possible to keep a mechanical clock, watch or camera running for centuries.
All DSLR shutters are mechanical or electro-mechanical. "Global shutters" -- a type of sensor in low-end mirrorless
cameras--last foever. But digital cameras tend to die beause of switches, battery contacts, SD card contacts, or
plastic gears. Wear on the shutter is the least of your worries. All digital cameras are disposable cameras.

Take pictures. Have fun. Don't worry about shutter life.

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Oct 28, 2018 23:10:17   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Buffer size nothing...shutter actuation impact was the whole thread... maybe you need to read more and post less...


Maybe, maybe not... Your words: "The reviewer's point was that at 14 fps shooting highest quality JPEGs you could not fill or slow down the buffer...".

That's the first mention of buffer in the conversation that I recall, of course I may be incorrect.

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Oct 29, 2018 00:36:55   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Maybe, maybe not... Your words: "The reviewer's point was that at 14 fps shooting highest quality JPEGs you could not fill or slow down the buffer...".

That's the first mention of buffer in the conversation that I recall, of course I may be incorrect.


My goodness, please “everyone,” give it a rest. We’ve beaten this thread to death!

Don’t worry about shutters breaking down! This is a “non” issue.

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Oct 29, 2018 00:39:50   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Bipod wrote:
None of these manufactuer's ratings are independently verified. Like so much else today, it's a liar's contest.

Are you talking about slowing down motion, or speeding it up? Normally, "time-lapse" means speeding up
motion. So you are exposing every few seoconds, minutes or hours. It takes a long time to wear out your
shutter that way.

Also, you didn't say what type of camera.

DSLRs have focal plane shutters. The best ones are titanium blades. The titanium blade shutter in my
mid-1970s Nikon F2 Photomic still works great. God only knows how many exposures it's taken. But even the
cloth screen shutters last for decades. My c. 1970 Minolta SRT-101's shutter still works fine. I have a leaf shutter
camera from 1916 that still works fine.

What usually kills shutters is that the lubricants dry out. But high quality modern cameras are all lubricated with
synthetic oils. When I recondition a shutter. I only use Swiss-made Moebius Synt-a-Lube watch and clock oils.
Some leaf shutters require a more viscus oil to restrain the speed. But all these top-quality syntehtic oils last decades.
My cameras will outlast me--without a doubt.

With proper maintenance, it's possible to keep a mechanical clock, watch or camera running for centuries.
All DSLR shutters are mechanical or electro-mechanical. "Global shutters" -- a type of sensor in low-end mirrorless
cameras--last foever. But digital cameras tend to die beause of switches, battery contacts, SD card contacts, or
plastic gears. Wear on the shutter is the least of your worries. All digital cameras are disposable cameras.

Take pictures. Have fun. Don't worry about shutter life.
None of these manufactuer's ratings are independen... (show quote)


The conversation is about time lapse photography, you know, creating a video of something that takes place over a period of time then basically speeding it up to see what you normally could not because it takes place over a period of time.

I said I usually use Canon EOS 40D, 50D or 60D so I believe that qualifies as saying what type of camera.

I'm pretty sure the original gist of the conversation was shutter failure is not a big concern in time lapse photography.

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Oct 29, 2018 00:43:56   #
hookedupin2005 Loc: Northwestern New Mexico
 
eadler wrote:
I would would view a shutter wearing out not as a negative but rather a shopping opportunity. You really do want that new camera with the latest features don't you?


If my camera's shutter wore out after 150,000 clicks, I would send it in for a replacement. My thinking would be that If the camera lasted that long, then it will last a little longer with a new shutter... Worth the 150-200 bucks. :-)

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Oct 29, 2018 00:49:43   #
Bipod
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
The conversation is about time lapse photography, you know, creating a video of something that takes place over a period of time then basically speeding it up to see what you normally could not because it takes place over a period of time.

I said I usually use Canon EOS 40D, 50D or 60D so I believe that qualifies as saying what type of camera.

I'm pretty sure the original gist of the conversation was shutter failure is not a big concern in time lapse photography.

I think that's what I said. But thanks for emphasizing it.

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Oct 29, 2018 01:01:03   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Fredrick wrote:
My goodness, please “everyone,” give it a rest. We’ve beaten this thread to death!

Don’t worry about shutters breaking down! This is a “non” issue.


Why do people say things like this? This is a conversation and social media website sites such as this are about conversations. If you are no longer interested in contributing to this conversation, then don't. But telling everyone to give it a rest?! It's not up to you to declare this or any conversation over, unless you are the OP or admin.

This conversation has gone 3 pages and I've seen lesser conversations go a heck of a lot longer. Besides, I'm pretty sure I originally said, shutter failure due to time lapse photography is NOT an issue. I also believe I said I've never had a shutter fail.

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Oct 29, 2018 01:08:47   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Bipod wrote:
I think that's what I said. But thanks for emphasizing it.


You're welcome...

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Oct 29, 2018 01:12:18   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Why do people say things like this? This is a conversation and social media website sites such as this are about conversations. If you are no longer interested in contributing to this conversation, then don't. But telling everyone to give it a rest?! It's not up to you to declare this or any conversation over, unless you are the OP or admin.

This conversation has gone 3 pages and I've seen lesser conversations go a heck of a lot longer. Besides, I'm pretty sure I originally said, shutter failure due to time lapse photography is NOT an issue. I also believe I said I've never had a shutter fail.
Why do people say things like this? This is a conv... (show quote)


Point well taken. My apologies. I’ll just move on from these type of threads in the future.

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Oct 29, 2018 01:18:46   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
John_F wrote:
There is more than one shutter design. So far as I know and I am not an expert there are two types. Overlapping leaves that are spring powered and a curtain with a thin slit and maybe spring powered. The point is the shutter is a mechanical device and the parts can wear out. I have been hoping to hear about an electronic shutter. While you are focusing and fussing with exposure light is falling on the sensor, could the charge state of the sensor be time sampled and fed to a buffer circuit. If the charge state of the sensor is sampled briefly, is that equivalent for illuminating the sensor for a time interval.
There is more than one shutter design. So far as I... (show quote)


The Pentax K1 gives the option of using Electronic shutter. Panasonic M43 G5 and other M43 cameras should do as well.

With the Electronic shutters it seems to be a process of sampling down the frame, where the top (or bottom, which ever) is sampled at a different time to the other end of the frame, which can cause strange effects with propellers. The mechanical shutter ensures all pixel values are recorded at the same time.

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Oct 29, 2018 01:41:15   #
rochephoto
 
I have to agree!!! This issue and many others on this site are over wrought. Perhaps the discussion should be; “how quickly can I wear out my shutter so that I can expand my vision”. As a friend and mentor of mine, Garry Winogrand, once said, “ nobody ever got better at things by doing less of it “. A $300 dollar shutter replacement at 500,000 actuations may be the best investment that you can make.

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Oct 29, 2018 02:53:29   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
hookedupin2005 wrote:
If my camera's shutter wore out after 150,000 clicks, I would send it in for a replacement. My thinking would be that If the camera lasted that long, then it will last a little longer with a new shutter... Worth the 150-200 bucks. :-)


I agree. If the camera is worth more than the cost of replacing the shutter then replace the shutter. One of the reasons I hang on to my old cameras is to use them for time lapse projects, not because I'm concerned about the shutter but because I don't want to tie up a newer camera on long term projects.

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Oct 29, 2018 03:10:08   #
Cheapshot Loc: California.
 
DennisC. wrote:
I thought I read where the D850 uses the electronic shutter for time lapse so there is no wear or shutter count on the mechanical shutter.


Ditto!

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