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Oct 28, 2018 09:53:14   #
DennisC. Loc: Antelope, CA
 
I thought I read where the D850 uses the electronic shutter for time lapse so there is no wear or shutter count on the mechanical shutter.

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Oct 28, 2018 09:53:53   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I was reading in a post on time lapse photography that some people recommend not using a good camera to do time lapse because it will prematurely wear out your shutter. I have read several books on time lapse and none of them have ever brought up wearing out your cameras shutter.
In doing some research on the issue I've determined that the camera manufacturers really don't know how many actuations a shutter can take prior to failure. Apparently when they, the manufacturer, say a shutter is rated for 150,000 actuations, what it means is they have tested that particular shutter to a minimum of 150,000 actuations and have not had a failure. The shutter could fail at 150,003 or it could keep going for another 95,000 actuations or for some miraculous reason, just keep on klicking for a very long time, until eventually it finally fails. I believe I read it costs on average around $150 to $300 to replace a shutter, depending on make and model.

Now don't get me wrong here; if you can afford a separate camera just for time lapse, all the better. I personally generally use an older camera, one that I don't take out shooting anymore, like a 40D or 50D or 60D, for longer time lapse projects, but since my newer cameras have built in intervalometers, I will use one of them for short term time lapse projects.

Bottom line is, I wouldn't be overly concerned about wearing out your shutter, unless you are planning on doing a whole lot of time lapse projects, in which case I strongly recommend you get a camera that has an electronic shutter option; no mechanical shutter to wear out.

Also, many of my long term time lapse projects only require maybe 4 exposures an hour which comes to around 2900 for an entire month and that's not really all that many. Of course some take more and some less.
I was reading in a post on time lapse photography ... (show quote)


I would think using a camera regularly for high speed sports and action at 10 fps, like my Canon 7D Mark II, would "use up" the shutter much faster then time lapse would.

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Oct 28, 2018 10:36:15   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
Don't you think using "burst mode" on a camera a lot would wear out the mechanical shutter faster than time lapse?

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Oct 28, 2018 11:36:35   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
One of the reviewers of the Canon 1Dx MKII did a segment of jpeg shooting where he just held the shutter button down for over 5 minutes and had over 5,000 actuations but never slowed or filled the buffer. That is what 14 FPS is capable of doing...

jerryc41 wrote:
Right! Modern DLSRs are very durable, but we all shoot differently. I can't remember the last time I did burst shooting. Even shooting 8 frames a day, you would still need around 1,000 frames to make a 30-second video. If someone is shooting burst at 14 fps, he would have to do that seventy-two times to get to 1,000.

Regardless how you want to use your camera, it's yours. Do what you want with it. It will not last forever, and then you can buy a nice, new one.

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Oct 28, 2018 12:19:06   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
BillyP wrote:
I've seen numbers of 150k for consumer models and 300-400k for pro models. However, I will use my 5d4 and worry about replacing it or the shutter when the time comes. I'm not about to use a less camera to save the shutter.


I totally agree! If you have a well made camera, your actuations will most likely exceed 150,000. The less gear to lug around the better.

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Oct 28, 2018 13:37:03   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
One of the reviewers of the Canon 1Dx MKII did a segment of jpeg shooting where he just held the shutter button down for over 5 minutes and had over 5,000 actuations but never slowed or filled the buffer. That is what 14 FPS is capable of doing...


Well, at 14 fps times 60 seconds per minute, that would be 4200 frames in 5 minutes. The numbers certainly add up but I fail to see the relevance. Besides, who in their right mind would do that unless it was a demo unit anyway.

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Oct 28, 2018 13:41:14   #
Silversleuth Loc: San Francisco Bay Area
 
Excellent point, eadler. "Honey, my camera just died so I need a new one" 😢


:Ed:

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Oct 28, 2018 13:47:11   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
The reviewer's point was that at 14 fps shooting highest quality JPEGs you could not fill or slow down the buffer... And being that it was a review it probably was purchased or acquired in part for the review...

rmorrison1116 wrote:
Well, at 14 fps times 60 seconds per minute, that would be 4200 frames in 5 minutes. The numbers certainly add up but I fail to see the relevance. Besides, who in their right mind would do that unless it was a demo unit anyway.

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Oct 28, 2018 14:32:11   #
Bill P
 
We never worried about this during the analog era. We never even knew what the shutter was rated for. Even when shooting with a motor drive, we kept spraying and praying to a minimum. Shutter count is a first world problem.

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Oct 28, 2018 14:33:06   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
DennisC. wrote:
I thought I read where the D850 uses the electronic shutter for time lapse so there is no wear or shutter count on the mechanical shutter.


No, the D850 does not have a fully electronic shutter. It has, when turned on, an ECFS or electronically controlled front shutter. His means the front srceen of the focal plane shutter is already open and the exposure is activated electronically by activating the sensor. The exposure is stopped by releasing the back screen of the shutter, blocking light from reaching the sensor. It's done this way because you don't get shutter shake from the rear shutter, only the front.

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Oct 28, 2018 14:38:21   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
The reviewer's point was that at 14 fps shooting highest quality JPEGs you could not fill or slow down the buffer... And being that it was a review it probably was purchased or acquired in part for the review...


That's nice. But what does buffer size have to do with time lapse or possible shutter failure?!

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Oct 28, 2018 14:54:14   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
rook2c4 wrote:
I don't lose any sleep over shutter actuations. There are simply too many factors involved that can have impact on shutter life, and the number of actuations is only one of them. Temperatures, minuscule defects/inconsistencies in the shutter mechanism components, etc.



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Oct 28, 2018 15:57:38   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Buffer size nothing...shutter actuation impact was the whole thread... maybe you need to read more and post less...

rmorrison1116 wrote:
That's nice. But what does buffer size have to do with time lapse or possible shutter failure?!

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Oct 28, 2018 18:44:15   #
PierreD
 
Whether the magic number - 150K - is a minimum or an average value, the question is: What you gonna do about it? Stop shooting?

I wouldn't worry about it and would be happy to pay a couple of hundred dollars to replace the shutter if it lasts that long!

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Oct 28, 2018 20:50:19   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
As I said, from my research I concluded they mean the shutters are periodically tested to a minimum of 150,000 acctuations, thus earning a minimum 150,000 actuation rating. Apparently manufacturers will pull random shutter assemblies off the line and off to the testing lab. I believe they call this QA or quality assurance.

I thought it was an average but it's a minimum, at least for Canon. If they say the shutter is rated for 150,000 actuations then, under normal usage, you can expect at least 150,000.

I've personally never had the shutter on a high end Bridge camera or DSLR fail, and my MILC'S are too new.
As I said, from my research I concluded they mean ... (show quote)

I have over 400,000 clicks on a shutter that is rated for 150,000 maybe it will fail soon, or maybe I have another 200,000 to go (only the shutter knows the answer)!

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