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Camera Color Science: What Makes Canon Special & Should We Even Care?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sVGnisy_qY&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3ccZmhWsc32bNeBWTp5JqjCja98WlyKTepQChwGfgojZlTBMYtD1ANNXo

A great discussion of camera color science, and the truth behind what colors we like, vs what is accurate color . Worth watching IMHO . Running time 13min 20 sec.


Also a great comment about color science from the Photography & Videography School facebook group's moderator Orio Menoni, a veteran shooter from Italy.

" This video is good. I suggest everyone interested in the topic to watch it with attention. Particularly when he comes talking about Lightroom and what Adobe does with the "Adobe Standard". This is what I meant some days ago when in a discussion I stated that Lightroom is "gentler" with Canon cameras than it is with other brands. The "Standard" coloring that Adobe built into Lightroom as default was largely dependent from Canon's own Standard profile, because at the time when Adobe Standard was created, Canon basically dominated the digital camera market. Nikon entered it strongly only a few years later, and Sony and Fuji, even later than Nikon. It was only natural at the time that Adobe made Lightroom a "Canon-centric" application. And remember, Lightroom is not even Adobe's legitimate child: they "adopted" it when it belonged to a different company, used to be called "Rawshooter", and basically supported only Canon DSLR cameras, and a very few other digital point and shoot units that were able to shoot raw.

As a byproduct of this, when Nikon, then Fuji and Sony entered the market, their cameras (most if not all based on Sony sensors) where penalized by the existing situation: basically, their files were appropriate only for their own raw software, while when entered in Lightroom, they were playing an "away" game. Some situations were even grotesque: Leica M9 colors (Kodak CCD sensor) were SO off when they were entered in Lightroom, with ridiculously bright greens and off yellow cast, that I was forced to buy Color Checker passport in order to be able to use the camera in Lightroom (a very wise move that I never regretted).

Now, if you applied Color Checker custom profiles to Canon cameras at the time, the deviation from Adobe Standard was dramatic! All my carefull edited files looked like CRAP when I tried to apply to them the color balanced ColorChecker profile. And this was the litmus test to my theory. It was now evident beyond any doubt that "Adobe Standard" was not a real standard at all: it was an attempt to mimic the Canon standard camera profile. And was largely inadequate for other cameras featuring Sony and Kodak sensors.

Since then, Adobe gradually changed their Adobe Standard to make it more "universal", but still today, in my opinion, it remains largely Canon-centric. Canon images still look much better when imported in Lightroom with default settings, than other camera images do. And this is not because Canon is right and the others are wrong. It is in fact the contrary: Canon, and for most part Lightroom, are wrong in their "standard", and this does not mean that they are bad, it just means that Lightroom's starting point is not really balanced. It is Canon-centric. And so, when you enter images taken with non-Canon sensors, you need to do a little, or sometimes a lot, of work in order to make them look good.

Notice: if you open a Sony file into Sony's own proprietary software, they look gorgeous right off the bat. And every inch as beautiful as Canon's colors. But since 99,99% of people don't use Sony's proprietary software, they will never know: they will open those files in Lightroom, see that they do not look as good by default, that they need adjustment to look good by Lightroom's (=Canon's) standard, and hence the fairy tale of "Canon's unrivalled color science" is born..."

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

I don’t care but then I shoot with a Canon and am happy with the colors.
When not, that’s what post is for.
Only for instant publication do I output Jpeg.
SS

Haydon

Another affirmation from Gerald Shilliams. You offer nothing on UHH except Sony pandering.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

Sounds as if you just made a great case for shooting Canon if you process with LR/PS

gwilliams6

Just don't bother to read or follow anything I post, and then refrain from replying, a simple solution for you to grasp. Cheers

gwilliams6

You are free to make your own conclusions from the video. I made no statements one way or the other. Cheers

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

I've never read a better summary of why Adobe and Canon are the ideal combination. Sony users with adapted Canon EF or FD lenses would also seem to benefit from the wonderful and true colors of Canon's lenses.

gwilliams6

Canon lens are some of the best, no doubt. I have used them for decades. But it is more the color science in the Canon camera's sensor and processor that determines the output. Cheers

Haydon

A simpler solution is to stop shilling. Then we both won't waste time.

gwilliams6

I wont stop posting facts and links to discussions and tests. So either deal with it or leave the discussions when I post. Cheers

lev29 Loc: Born and living in MA.

Thanks for posting this URL. Having viewed only the first two minutes thus far, it looks quite interesting. However, I noted in your introduction to it all this "stuff" about Canon-centric and Adobe editing programs. I’m a Sony camera user and plan to use Skylum's Luminar editing program. Is this video pertinent to users such as me?

Haydon

Then count me in replying to your distorted reality Mr Shill :)

SonyBug

It is really unfortunate that in todays world, many people can not read something without wanting to denigrate the poster in order to make themselves feel/look bigger or more knowledgeable. We all have opinions, and I did not feel at all that the original post was out of order, or even promoting Sony, which I do use. I thought the information was valid and pertinent to this UHH blog, and hope that the poster is not dissuaded from posting more of the same due to the negative comments received.

Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.

Ditto and I'm a Nikon user who has 'debated' Mr Williams in the past

At about 12:15 he gets to the rendered down point.

bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada

Totally agree!