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Standing on a Dock, Part II
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Sep 6, 2018 21:37:48   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
If you remember a while back I posted one photo from about 250 that I took back in early July at a lake in Virginia. I am finally sitting down and doing the initial processing on these images and I thought I would share a couple more. Of the first 50 or so I looked at, these jumped out at me. Again, the setting was a struggle because no matter where I moved I was either fighting back lighting or junk in the background. Still, I'm quite happy with some of the photos and for me I can overlook some of the issues because my model photographed so well. I have yet to get look at my friend's images of the outing, but he normally outdoes me with equipment twice as old as mine. If he'll allow me to post some of his shots here, I will attribute them accordingly.

In the first image, I could shoot myself for cutting off a tiny piece of thumb. In the last image she was calling to us to come get a fishing hook out of the dock so she didn't run it into her foot and I couldn't resist getting that view.


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Sep 7, 2018 05:28:30   #
cam.79 Loc: Gray, GA
 
Fantastic shots of a great lady.

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Sep 7, 2018 07:21:06   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
Don't shoot yourself, we didn't notice the missing thumb tip...

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Sep 7, 2018 07:45:23   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
A excessivley proportioned woman with over-sized mammaries, hideous hair, who was photographed in amateurish unflattering poses.

But, "Fantastic"? "Great"?


On the positive side, photo #1 shows her pretty & attractive face.

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Sep 7, 2018 09:52:07   #
Runninglate Loc: Saint Cloud, Florida
 
Great pictures and the setting just gives you a relaxed feeling of being on a pier at a lake. Also love the subject matter as well.....you did a great job.

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Sep 7, 2018 10:13:08   #
bigalw Loc: Essex - UK
 
Perfick

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Sep 7, 2018 10:46:24   #
chikid68 Loc: Tennesse USA
 
you are so fortunate to have such a willing model.
My wife does not even want to model for me clothed much less nude

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Sep 7, 2018 11:34:05   #
Thurber Mingus
 
I really like the first one :)

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Sep 7, 2018 12:45:45   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
Tom G wrote:
A excessivley proportioned woman with over-sized mammaries, hideous hair, who was photographed in amateurish unflattering poses.

But, "Fantastic"? "Great"?


On the positive side, photo #1 shows her pretty & attractive face.


I think this is one comment I'll try to keep her from reading, not that it matters, she has pretty thick skin and a healthy attitude toward nudity. She's a 45 year old mother of 4 so the curves have gotten curvier over the years, but no one she's posed for has complained.

As a rule I try to keep my comments and critiques on images that include any photograph containing people limited to pose, exposure, composition, etc. Just as none of us men have control over the size of what hangs between our legs, women don't have a lot of control over what rests on their chest. That is, unless they go under the knife and she hasn't. She's willing to pose for me and I'm willing to shoot her. She's also nice enough to pose for others so they can practice figure photography. She's probably worked with a dozen photographers so far and not charged a dime.

I posted these images because in the previous thread someone requested some of the shots taken from the dock and I happened to be working on them last night.

As for the hair, she's into a lot of costume events. In hot weather, rather than wear a wig, she normally dyes her hair. It's blond BTW but she's normally sporting some shade of red and sometimes the color is wacky. I didn't care for the color either, but I'm smart enough to keep my trap shut. I bring the camera and she brings the rest, if you know what I mean.

I looked through your postings and didn't see any figure work there. If you ever get close to the Carolinas you can look us up and maybe she'll sit for you.

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Sep 7, 2018 13:55:34   #
Stardust Loc: Central Illinois
 
Like the first one - pose & outfit seems to fit the surroundings. And, don't "shoot" yourself over the thumb - no one here wants to see you nude at the lake. <LOL>

Not crazy of second for opposite reason - pose doesn't seem to fit setting, more for a studio. As for 3rd photo, I have always been hooked on a moon rising over a lake. (pun intended)

PS, love her hair tones & nails.

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Sep 7, 2018 14:29:27   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
I think this is one comment I'll try to keep her from reading, not that it matters, she has pretty thick skin and a healthy attitude toward nudity. She's a 45 year old mother of 4 so the curves have gotten curvier over the years, but no one she's posed for has complained.

As a rule I try to keep my comments and critiques on images that include any photograph containing people limited to pose, exposure, composition, etc. Just as none of us men have control over the size of what hangs between our legs, women don't have a lot of control over what rests on their chest. That is, unless they go under the knife and she hasn't. She's willing to pose for me and I'm willing to shoot her. She's also nice enough to pose for others so they can practice figure photography. She's probably worked with a dozen photographers so far and not charged a dime.

I posted these images because in the previous thread someone requested some of the shots taken from the dock and I happened to be working on them last night.

As for the hair, she's into a lot of costume events. In hot weather, rather than wear a wig, she normally dyes her hair. It's blond BTW but she's normally sporting some shade of red and sometimes the color is wacky. I didn't care for the color either, but I'm smart enough to keep my trap shut. I bring the camera and she brings the rest, if you know what I mean.

I looked through your postings and didn't see any figure work there. If you ever get close to the Carolinas you can look us up and maybe she'll sit for you.
I think this is one comment I'll try to keep her f... (show quote)




Well InfiniteISO, even though my remarks were rather critical, they were not intended to be taken as disapproval or degradation of the woman, herself.

Because I did not view the photos as aesthetically pleasing, I might have made my comments & suggestions a bit more constructive; if I offended you, I am sorry.

However, because of the model's more than adequate physical attributes, I might have suggested she wear clothing that complimented her physique rather than something that detracted from it, as did that seedy looking moldy green "table cloth" she wore. Not a beautiful sight.

Perhaps something with "warmer" colors and maybe vertical stripes would have helped. Something less revealing, but more seductive would have been interesting (theses terms are not mutually exclusive, by the way). And the 2XL bikini she wore was as unappealing as a men's small Speedo might look on me.

As for the poses, Pose #1 was fine although not inspiring; her beautiful smile, and self supporting tits made #1 the best of the bunch.

#2 focused on her drooping, seemingly heavy right bosom and detracted from everything else. (My first thought was "don't get yer tit caught in the wringer".) Her hands could have been placed more effectively too; the one unseen in her hair could have supported her chin, while the one on her chin other could have been place over/under her right breast.

Pose #3 caused me to wonder what might be intended? Maybe some Fido style sex? (many like it that way.) Maybe she was expressing the desire to "be driven home? But, definitely #3 could not be used as an Aroma Therapy advertisement. In any case, I found #3 quite unappealing, unnecessary, and "tasteless".

I stand by my comments about her hair.

And, ending with a positive note, she had no tattoos (showing at least).

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Sep 7, 2018 16:01:18   #
Fat Gregory Loc: Southern New Jersey
 
Tom G: Post some of your stuff so we can see your skills and not read your pedantic words.

InfiniteISO: Thank you and your wife...
I enjoy the honesty and freedom and of course the female form.

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Sep 7, 2018 16:05:13   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
Tom, I can't help but admire someone who acts like a heal and then doubles down on it. I find it amusing when someone who hides behind the anonymity of a forum like this plays the curmudgeon just because they're bored or trying to get a rise out of someone. I shouldn't respond, but today I must be just about as bored as you are.

Truly though, here is my golden rule about commenting on models in this forum section: Don't say anything about a model that you wouldn't say in their presence. When a model sheds their clothes, it's not an open invitation for critique on their physical appearance.

As for clothes, I have only been involved in a couple of shoots where the wardrobe was dictated by myself or a third party. Most of the time I let the model pick their clothes because it will be something they feel attractive in. If they're shy, it may be something they feel confident wearing. I shoot a lot of strip sequences. Putting the model in something they like makes the transition to wearing less easier. I may choose between outfit A and outfit B, but that's about it. Often I just ask, what did you bring to shoot in today? I realize that being an amatuer this may be a much different approach than a pro, but with the women I shoot, that's how I work.

This dynamic is especially true with my wife, for as you may imagine, the photographer/wife dynamic is much different than the photographer/paid model dynamic. That said, I feel wardrobe criticism is certainly fair game, I'm just explaining that many times wardrobe choices are out of my hands. Like I said before, I bring the camera, the model brings the rest.

So here are some of the juicier bits of your reply:

Tom G wrote:
seedy looking moldy green "table cloth" she wore. Not a beautiful sight.

Really? That's a crocheted sweater. A color she picked out because it looks good against both peaches and reds, e.g. her pale skin and hair.

Tom G wrote:
And the 2XL bikini she wore was as unappealing as a men's small Speedo might look on me.

Here you're just being an ass. It's a pair of lace panties and they match that moldy sweater you like so well. You'll have to post a speedo selfie for us to judge the rest of this statement.

Tom G wrote:
#2 focused on her drooping, seemingly heavy right bosom and detracted from everything else. (My first thought was "don't get yer tit caught in the wringer".)

Are you sure you're not being negative about the model here? And what is "seemingly heavy"? For goodness sake, they are heavy. You could not make it as a boudoir photographer because you couldn't deal with taking images of "real" people. Not every woman that sheds clothes in front of my lens looks like the 20-year-olds I managed to shoot in college.

Tom G wrote:
Pose #3 caused me to wonder what might be intended? Maybe some Fido style sex?

This is asinine. As I stated before, she was telling our friend and me about a fish hook stuck into a board on the dock. I included this because I thought it was a cute candid. I guess the concepts of both cute and candid are lost on you.

Again, if you ever get in my neck of the woods, It would be our treat to set up some studio time so you could try your hand at this. I can assure you it's not as easy as it looks. I bet you'd be more uncomfortable wearing clothes than the ladies would be wearing nothing.

PS. I find it telling that your avatar is a stolen image.

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Sep 7, 2018 16:30:15   #
buckwheat Loc: Clarkdale, AZ and Belen NM
 
There used to be a troll on here that went by the name of billyspad. He was great at critiquing the models, the photographers and other members, but never commented on the actual photo. He never posted an image and when called on his remarks, would argue, try to justify and continue to insult. I thought we were done with him, but maybe he was reborn!
Your responses show nothing but class, but I fear you are fighting a losing battle. I appreciate your posts, and admire the courage of your wife and the self confidence she projects!
InfiniteISO wrote:
Tom, I can't help but admire someone who acts like a heal and then doubles down on it. I find it amusing when someone who hides behind the anonymity of a forum like this plays the curmudgeon just because they're bored or trying to get a rise out of someone. I shouldn't respond, but today I must be just about as bored as you are.

Truly though, here is my golden rule about commenting on models in this forum section: Don't say anything about a model that you wouldn't say in their presence. When a model sheds their clothes, it's not an open invitation for critique on their physical appearance.

As for clothes, I have only been involved in a couple of shoots where the wardrobe was dictated by myself or a third party. Most of the time I let the model pick their clothes because it will be something they feel attractive in. If they're shy, it may be something they feel confident wearing. I shoot a lot of strip sequences. Putting the model in something they like makes the transition to wearing less easier. I may choose between outfit A and outfit B, but that's about it. Often I just ask, what did you bring to shoot in today? I realize that being an amatuer this may be a much different approach than a pro, but with the women I shoot, that's how I work.

This dynamic is especially true with my wife, for as you may imagine, the photographer/wife dynamic is much different than the photographer/paid model dynamic. That said, I feel wardrobe criticism is certainly fair game, I'm just explaining that many times wardrobe choices are out of my hands. Like I said before, I bring the camera, the model brings the rest.

So here are some of the juicier bits of your reply:


This is asinine. As I stated before, she was telling our friend and me about a fish hook stuck into a board on the dock. I included this because I thought it was a cute candid. I guess the concepts of both cute and candid are lost on you.

Again, if you ever get in my neck of the woods, It would be our treat to set up some studio time so you could try your hand at this. I can assure you it's not as easy as it looks. I bet you'd be more uncomfortable wearing clothes than the ladies would be wearing nothing.

PS. I find it telling that your avatar is a stolen image.
Tom, I can't help but admire someone who acts like... (show quote)

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Sep 7, 2018 19:13:46   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
I think this is one comment I'll try to keep her from reading, not that it matters, she has pretty thick skin and a healthy attitude toward nudity. She's a 45 year old mother of 4 so the curves have gotten curvier over the years, but no one she's posed for has complained.

As a rule I try to keep my comments and critiques on images that include any photograph containing people limited to pose, exposure, composition, etc. Just as none of us men have control over the size of what hangs between our legs, women don't have a lot of control over what rests on their chest. That is, unless they go under the knife and she hasn't. She's willing to pose for me and I'm willing to shoot her. She's also nice enough to pose for others so they can practice figure photography. She's probably worked with a dozen photographers so far and not charged a dime.

I posted these images because in the previous thread someone requested some of the shots taken from the dock and I happened to be working on them last night.

As for the hair, she's into a lot of costume events. In hot weather, rather than wear a wig, she normally dyes her hair. It's blond BTW but she's normally sporting some shade of red and sometimes the color is wacky. I didn't care for the color either, but I'm smart enough to keep my trap shut. I bring the camera and she brings the rest, if you know what I mean.

I looked through your postings and didn't see any figure work there. If you ever get close to the Carolinas you can look us up and maybe she'll sit for you.
I think this is one comment I'll try to keep her f... (show quote)


Accept criticism of your photography skills when meaningful; but don't ever justify, explain, or feel the need to apologize for the physical beauty or attributes of your model.
The negative comments were wrong, deserving of disdain.
Your model is beautiful--that is all.

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