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Sep 1, 2018 15:56:12   #
rmorrison1116 (a regular here)
 
The D3400'S replacement, the D3500 has been announced and from what I've read, the only real difference between the two are size and cost. The new camera is smaller than the old one and it costs considerably less, about $150. Apparently Nikon is looking to attract an audience with relatively small hands.
I guess the bottom line is, if you want better quality images than most cell phones are capable of and don't want a big expensive DSLR, maybe the D3500 is for you.
And no, it does not have a self cleaning image sensor, that would reduce the number of images
it can take per charge, a tradeoff Nikon can live with.

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Sep 1, 2018 16:16:01   #
CHG_CANON (a regular here)
 
When your entry-level bodies have the resolution and nearly all the features of your most advanced bodies, you're going to cannibalize your product line. Particularly for people who don't appreciate / need the more advanced features. I do think dropping the self-cleaning is BS. That's like selling a car with only three wheels, aka a required feature of any DSLR now in 2018. They're probably rationalizing the entry-level models anyways. Just like point n shoot has been replaced by cell phones, the already luxury good of a DSLR is likely to be more and more just the top-tier models that can't be replaced by more and more powerful cell phones.

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Sep 1, 2018 16:19:21   #
burkphoto (a regular here)
 
This is in the category of, "Who cares?"

The D3300 was the peak of that line. It is very decent for what it is. The 3400 was a step down, and this just sounds like, "WHYYYYYY?"

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Sep 1, 2018 16:19:37   #
DaveO (a regular here)
 
ChrisT was looking for a discussion on the D3500 that you may be interested in.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-551339-1.html

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Sep 1, 2018 16:22:41   #
CHG_CANON (a regular here)
 
DaveO wrote:
ChrisT was looking for a discussion on the D3500 that you may be interested in.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-551339-1.html


Most of us have advised him of what we think of his "discussions" and are now on his ignore list, many times mutually ....

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Sep 1, 2018 16:23:14   #
IDguy
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
When your entry-level bodies have the resolution and nearly all the features of your most advanced bodies, you're going to cannibalize your product line. Particularly for people who don't appreciate / need the more advanced features. I do think dropping the self-cleaning is BS. That's like selling a car with only three wheels, aka a required feature of any DSLR now in 2018. They're probably rationalizing the entry-level models anyways. Just like point n shoot has been replaced by cell phones, the already luxury good of a DSLR is likely to be more and more just the top-tier models that can't be replaced by more and more powerful cell phones.
When your entry-level bodies have the resolution a... (show quote)


I never heard an explanation of why they dropped shake cleaning on the D3400. I doubt it has to do with battery life.

We can be sure they did customer research before doing so. And continuing to leave it out suggests they are happy with the decision.

My guess is that their research shows it doesn’t do much. And the target market for this line isn’t likely to look for it or care if it is missing.

I understand no Mirrorless cameras have it.

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Sep 1, 2018 16:24:21   #
DaveO (a regular here)
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Most of us have advised him of what we think of his "discussions" and are now on his ignore list, many times mutually ....


LOL, thanks and I'll try not to be next. I would be so hurt.

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Sep 1, 2018 16:43:54   #
BebuLamar (a regular here)
 
DaveO wrote:
ChrisT was looking for a discussion on the D3500 that you may be interested in.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-551339-1.html


But many of us do not have the ability to join in his discussion.

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Sep 1, 2018 16:55:42   #
burkphoto (a regular here)
 
IDguy wrote:
I never heard an explanation of why they dropped shake cleaning on the D3400. I doubt it has to do with battery life.

We can be sure they did customer research before doing so. And continuing to leave it out suggests they are happy with the decision.

My guess is that their research shows it doesn’t do much. And the target market for this line isn’t likely to look for it or care if it is missing.

I understand no Mirrorless cameras have it.


MANY mirrorless cameras have sensor cleaning. It works quite well on them, too. In three years, I haven't had to clean my Lumix GH4 sensor once! That's despite numerous lens changes in blowing wind. When I used Canons and Nikons, I was reaching for the bottle of Eclipse and a Sensor Swab several times a year.

The reason? That flippy-floppy thing in the dSLR creates metal shavings, throws lubricants, and knocks bits of foam mirror dampener strips off all the time. The mirror creates quite a windstorm in the camera body, so that crap lands on the sensor during exposure. The vibrator-based cleaning device won't deal with sticky foam or a mixture of lube with metal shavings. It really only works for run-of-the-mill dust that floats in when you change a lens.

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Sep 1, 2018 20:49:45   #
Gene51 (a regular here)
 
DaveO wrote:
ChrisT was looking for a discussion on the D3500 that you may be interested in.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-551339-1.html


Nothing of interest there . . . The interesting stuff is far above his level of comprehension, and found elsewhere - among the many he has chosen to ignore.

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Sep 1, 2018 20:58:52   #
DaveO (a regular here)
 
Gene51 wrote:
Nothing of interest there . . . The interesting stuff is far above his level of comprehension, and found elsewhere - among the many he has chosen to ignore.


Many picked up on that quite quickly and there are several hot discussions that have taken place over his demeanor. He appeared to have some groupies frequently engaging in his "discussions", but I opted to not bother with him.

He's back and so is Keenan. LOL! Coincidence??

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Sep 1, 2018 21:20:19   #
IDguy
 
burkphoto wrote:
MANY mirrorless cameras have sensor cleaning. It works quite well on them, too. In three years, I haven't had to clean my Lumix GH4 sensor once! That's despite numerous lens changes in blowing wind. When I used Canons and Nikons, I was reaching for the bottle of Eclipse and a Sensor Swab several times a year.

The reason? That flippy-floppy thing in the dSLR creates metal shavings, throws lubricants, and knocks bits of foam mirror dampener strips off all the time. The mirror creates quite a windstorm in the camera body, so that crap lands on the sensor during exposure. The vibrator-based cleaning device won't deal with sticky foam or a mixture of lube with metal shavings. It really only works for run-of-the-mill dust that floats in when you change a lens.
MANY mirrorless cameras have sensor cleaning. It w... (show quote)


I haven’t had to clean the sensor on my GM5 either. I don’t believe it has the vibrational device.

Maybe less noticeable on M 4/3 sensor and because I use lower stops with it.

Yes, I have read that DSLRs are more susceptible to dirt. Mine certainly are.

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Sep 1, 2018 22:10:06   #
rmorrison1116 (a regular here)
 
DaveO wrote:
ChrisT was looking for a discussion on the D3500 that you may be interested in.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-551339-1.html


I believe I may have disagreed with the almighty Chris T at some point and am now on his ignore list. I can't say it bothers me because from what I've seen, all he does is ask really arbitrary questions about pretty much nothing and then responds to his own responses. If you don't agree, you're ignore listed. Regardless of age, it's like a spoiled child who will only let others play as long as they play by his rules. Eventually either he will have ignore listed most everyone and those who have not been will simply pay him no mind.

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Sep 1, 2018 22:27:41   #
BebuLamar (a regular here)
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I believe I may have disagreed with the almighty Chris T at some point and am now on his ignore list. I can't say it bothers me because from what I've seen, all he does is ask really arbitrary questions about pretty much nothing and then responds to his own responses. If you don't agree, you're ignore listed. Regardless of age, it's like a spoiled child who will only let others play as long as they play by his rules. Eventually either he will have ignore listed most everyone and those who have not been will simply pay him no mind.
I believe I may have disagreed with the almighty C... (show quote)


I guess that he put everyone on his ignore list so that there is no response to his post.

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Sep 1, 2018 22:33:13   #
rmorrison1116 (a regular here)
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
When your entry-level bodies have the resolution and nearly all the features of your most advanced bodies, you're going to cannibalize your product line. Particularly for people who don't appreciate / need the more advanced features. I do think dropping the self-cleaning is BS. That's like selling a car with only three wheels, aka a required feature of any DSLR now in 2018. They're probably rationalizing the entry-level models anyways. Just like point n shoot has been replaced by cell phones, the already luxury good of a DSLR is likely to be more and more just the top-tier models that can't be replaced by more and more powerful cell phones.
When your entry-level bodies have the resolution a... (show quote)


I wouldn't go that far. Dropping the self cleaning function may or may not be that big a deal but the camera will still function as designed. Besides, there are cars with only three wheels. But since you didn't mean three wheeled cars, a four wheel car with only three wheels for the most part, isn't going anywhere although there are exception.
I've never owned or even used a D3400 and I'm sure I could look this up but, is cleaning the sensor a menu option?
I know it is simpler and more cost effective to make an image sensor assembly that does not vibrate. Could it be that Nikon's research people simply came to the conclusion it wasn't really necessary to have a self cleaning sensor on certain lower end models?!

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