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Pope calls death penalty "inadmissible" according to Gospel
Aug 2, 2018 12:44:21   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
In the 90's, there was a well-known series of articles in the Dallas Morning News which profiled a number of death row inmates. Some of them had already been executed. It profiled each of them in depth, including their crimes, background, and much more. One of the striking things to come out of the entire series was the number of individuals who had committed heinous murders who, over the course of their incarceration, while facing their mortality, had come to a personal relationship with God. One of the conclusions was that it took the death penalty to break the hardest of the most hardened criminals....and that if they had been given life they never would have been redeemed morally as they were on death row. They were forced to face personal questions on death row that they would not have been forced to face in the general population.

It is because of this study, and for the conclusion that it came to that I continue to support the death penalty, and WHY the death penalty is NOT antithetical to the Gospel.

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Aug 2, 2018 12:55:46   #
Vietnam Vet
 
The Old Testament and the New Testament gospels have examples of crimes punishable by death.

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Aug 2, 2018 13:30:00   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Vietnam Vet wrote:
The Old Testament and the New Testament gospels have examples of crimes punishable by death.


While the Old Testament certainly does, I know of none in the New Testament.

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Aug 3, 2018 13:15:51   #
SaR_foto Loc: Northeast Wisconsin
 
History tells of many that died at the hand of the church....suddenly a reversal in thinking......Humm?

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Aug 3, 2018 15:37:23   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
SteveR wrote:
In the 90's, there was a well-known series of articles in the Dallas Morning News which profiled a number of death row inmates. Some of them had already been executed. It profiled each of them in depth, including their crimes, background, and much more. One of the striking things to come out of the entire series was the number of individuals who had committed heinous murders who, over the course of their incarceration, while facing their mortality, had come to a personal relationship with God. One of the conclusions was that it took the death penalty to break the hardest of the most hardened criminals....and that if they had been given life they never would have been redeemed morally as they were on death row. They were forced to face personal questions on death row that they would not have been forced to face in the general population.

It is because of this study, and for the conclusion that it came to that I continue to support the death penalty, and WHY the death penalty is NOT antithetical to the Gospel.
In the 90's, there was a well-known series of arti... (show quote)


How real is a confession brought on by the imminence of death. There may be more "Christians" in prison than in church. I'm not sure about that, but I am sure there are a whole lot.

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Aug 3, 2018 15:38:37   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
SaR_foto wrote:
History tells of many that died at the hand of the church....suddenly a reversal in thinking......Humm?


It's not a bad change. It also isn't a very big change for the church.

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Aug 3, 2018 16:10:53   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
thom w wrote:
How real is a confession brought on by the imminence of death. There may be more "Christians" in prison than in church. I'm not sure about that, but I am sure there are a whole lot.


Real? Why wouldn't it be? Death can cause even the hardest among us to face question he or she might never have faced before.

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Aug 3, 2018 16:25:57   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
SteveR wrote:
Real? Why wouldn't it be? Death can cause even the hardest among us to face question he or she might never have faced before.


I don't really believe in "death bed conversions", but you are obviously entitled to. I was going to write more, but my writing kept looking more aggressive than I meant it to be.

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Aug 3, 2018 16:30:41   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
SaR_foto wrote:
History tells of many that died at the hand of the church....suddenly a reversal in thinking......Humm?


I - as a certified sinner by biblical writings for most of my 80 yrs of life and I have done a lot of thought and studies into those two books - OT & NT- and my past lifestyle - so much is in those pages that truly give direction on how to live a "Moral" lifestyle - not a Christion/religious one but "Moral/Honest" - the best words I came across were somewhere in John - repent go and sin no more - as I have endeavored to do over the past 30 yrs.


Now my thoughts on the death penalty and the "Gospel" there is so much k*****g in it from the first - Cane & Able- through many of the "books" including the hidden story of Moses k*****g a man and then hiding in the desert for 40yrs from the Pharo whom he knew wo0uld have him executed. Like I say there are numerous k*****gs both justified and murder. There are true history books out there of the "Church's murderous ways" with writings of the villainous Priests in there own words of defense while in Spanish prisons for not doing their best for the Church and the Crown. For example Friar Landis in the book "The Yucatan Before and After the Conquest"

My opinion in some cases a k**ler needs to spend the rest of their life in harshest conditions that there is in some of the prison we have. Now there are others where these "Animals" need to be put down as soon as possible. We really do know the difference in the two types.
Harvey

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Aug 3, 2018 17:00:55   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Harvey wrote:
I - as a certified sinner by biblical writings for most of my 80 yrs of life and I have done a lot of thought and studies into those two books - OT & NT- and my past lifestyle - so much is in those pages that truly give direction on how to live a "Moral" lifestyle - not a Christion/religious one but "Moral/Honest" - the best words I came across were somewhere in John - repent go and sin no more - as I have endeavored to do over the past 30 yrs.


Now my thoughts on the death penalty and the "Gospel" there is so much k*****g in it from the first - Cane & Able- through many of the "books" including the hidden story of Moses k*****g a man and then hiding in the desert for 40yrs from the Pharo whom he knew wo0uld have him executed. Like I say there are numerous k*****gs both justified and murder. There are true history books out there of the "Church's murderous ways" with writings of the villainous Priests in there own words of defense while in Spanish prisons for not doing their best for the Church and the Crown. For example Friar Landis in the book "The Yucatan Before and After the Conquest"




My opinion in some cases a k**ler needs to spend the rest of their life in harshest conditions that there is in some of the prison we have. Now there are others where these "Animals" need to be put down as soon as possible. We really do know the difference in the two types.
Harvey
I - as a certified sinner by biblical writings fo... (show quote)



These deluded clergymen conducted hearings to determine if Africans and New World Indians had souls. Africans 0 - Indians 1. The church ran amok and destroyed language, culture, and societies all to enrich themselves and government.

The wild, crazy language of the Old Testament has long been exploited by many in the arts. Bob Dylan, Tom Waits and H****r Thompson are the ones I'm most familiar with.

Another of Tom Waits' takes on the southern murder ballad.

"Dot King was whittled from the bone of Cain ... "

Tom Waits - Walk Away

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccVC5MjZEfs

Waits has also added many gospel tunes to the heap.

Jesus Gonna Be Here - Blind Boys of Alabama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InDjAMEsdAU

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Aug 3, 2018 23:35:16   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
thom w wrote:
I don't really believe in "death bed conversions", but you are obviously entitled to. I was going to write more, but my writing kept looking more aggressive than I meant it to be.


As long as the Holy Spirit calls somebody, the invitation is open, until death closes the door.

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Aug 4, 2018 01:27:32   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
SteveR wrote:
As long as the Holy Spirit calls somebody, the invitation is open, until death closes the door.


The pope is without a doubt more moral and has much more humanity than many evangelicals.

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Aug 4, 2018 01:32:19   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
thom w wrote:
The pope is without a doubt more moral and has much more humanity than many evangelicals.


The church already taught that the death penalty was only acceptable when there was no other way to protect the innocent. I'm not a fan of Catholicism but at least they are consistent. No a******n, no capitol punishment. Many evangelicals are more like fishermen. Throw them back so you can fry them when they are larger.

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Aug 4, 2018 09:36:05   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
I grew up in Michigan, which does not have the death penalty. That's fine with me. I live in Texas which does. As an evangelical, I have given my one reason for not being against the death penalty in my original post. If it were not for that I would be fine with doing away with it. In the end, life is but a little thing to give for an eternity spent with God. Others seem to feel that life must be grasped at all costs, as if that is all there is. For some....that may very well be the best of all there is to come.

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