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Jul 28, 2018 19:59:26   #
jburlinson
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Why is that of particular interest? There is not one single mirrorless camera that shares a lens mount with their SLR counterpart. Nikons Nikon 1 cameras have a different mount from Nikons DSLR bodies. Sony's mirrorless cameras all have a different mount that their SLT models. Canons mirrorless models all have a totally different mount from their DSLR models.
The simple fact of the matter is that there is no way to built a mirrorless camera, and make it SMALLER than a DSLR camera without redesigning the mount to literally prevent DSLR lenses from mounting.
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Not so. The Pentax K-01 is their mirrorless camera and it uses the same mount as the dslr's including the full-frame K-1. I'll admit that it's not as small as an Olympus or a Sony a6xxx, but it's definitely smaller than a dslr. Of course, the K-01, despite winning a design award, took quite a thumping from the critics when it came out and is now, I think, only made for the Japanese market.

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Jul 28, 2018 20:06:33   #
hawleyrw
 
What I’d like to see (great time to do it with an emerging technology) is a standard mount lens. Fits all makes/models.

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Jul 28, 2018 20:07:18   #
SharpShooter
 
bedouin wrote:
One reason I switched to Pentax from Canon over a decade ago was the ability 2 mount any of their previous manual or auto focus lenses to their digital bodies. Especially with their prime lenses and star lenses, I was able to buy some of their best glass and avoid paying for their digital specialized lenses.

I also have the Fuji X- H1 mirrorless and love it. It's IQ is phenomenal. I still have difficulty with the evf, which does not allow me to see subtle fine focus the way I can with a glass prism. it's menu, with all the sub menus is much more difficult to navigate than that of my K-1. Comparing identical photos taken in the standard color mode, the Fuji is just very slightly better with color.

Now when I am on a shoot, I carry both cameras. My work does not require any action photos so I will stick with the middle ground and await further technology.
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LoL, there’s always a Pentax guy whooping and holloring about why they went BACKWARDS!!! LoL
I LEFT Pentax when they changed their mount! When I went digital I looked at Pentax and the system was so small and orphaned the I didn’t return.
I went to Canon for the immense versatility of the lens arsenal, the efficiency of the stabilization and the amount of AF FAST GLASS!!! Up to f1.0 in a 50.
The ONLY thing Pentax had was IBS!
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Jul 28, 2018 20:30:58   #
jburlinson
 
SharpShooter wrote:

I LEFT Pentax when they changed their mount!
SS


You mean around 1975? That's when the K-mount was introduced and it's still what's on Pentax cameras to this day, including their full-frame and mirrorless.

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Jul 28, 2018 20:46:30   #
CatMarley
 
hawleyrw wrote:
Personally, I will probably never go the mirrorless route. My reasons are is that I still like looking through a viewfinder and being able to frame the shot just like I want. I never have liked electronic viewfinders and probably never will. I may be biased there but most pro photographers feel the same way I believe. Not that I am a pro, but I have been a photographic enthusiast for many, many years.


Yes, I know a lot of elderly people who have not learned to use a computer. I guess the same folks will be unable to adjust to the mirrorless, but that age group is likely to be gone before long, and the younger people buying cameras will not be asking for 850's. The fact that you Fellas have been using the mirror and prism for "many many years" means you won't be using it for too many more. And the new crop of professionals and enthusiast amateurs will be buying the mirrorless Professional cameras made by Nikon and Canon.

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Jul 28, 2018 20:46:57   #
Architect1776 (a regular here)
 
dkguill wrote:
I have to ask why Nikon and Canon have to change the lens mount in their mirrorless cameras. I suppose one could make a case for adjusting how the current full-frame lenses are inserted into the camera body vs. a preferable design. I know progress requires change and many don't embrace change eagerly. I guess I'm old enough to be one who resists what might be unnecessary change. I wonder, if the anticipated adapter allows current lenses to be used without negative impact, why the change is ultimately so necessary, unless the objective is just to obsolete current lenses and provide a perceived need to spend money to have an excuse to buy new lenses. I suspect there is a profit opportunity involved...call me suspicious. I admit to not being all that concerned since my experience with mirrorless cameras hasn't been very compelling in the first place. My Sony NEX7 seldom, if ever, gets pressed into service these days. I know I'm talking about an early mirrorless model, but my motivation to change is seriously lagging. Instead, I find my Canon 5D Mk IV, 7D Mk II, and 5Ds very satisfying. I don't expect that the promise of new mirrorless models from Canon or Nikon will motivate me to dump a wad of money in the anticipation of greatly improved IQ. There still is a definite difference between need and want and I don't think I'm going to want to pay for marginal change...if that's what we are ultimately offered. Better the devil I know than the devil I don't know...at least for the foreseeable future.
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Remember that Canon and Nikon AF started as FF film cameras and needed the dimensions chosen to allow for a mirror SLR. Some makers went full bore with mirrorless much earlier than Canon and Nikon, for example Olympus and I believe the M4/3 was the result. They had 4/3 DSLRs then went mirrorless with the M4/3 system.

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Jul 28, 2018 20:50:49   #
CatMarley
 
dkguill wrote:
I have to ask why Nikon and Canon have to change the lens mount in their mirrorless cameras. .


The position of the focal plane has to be a lot closer with the mirrorless because of the direct light path. Nikon plans to provide adaptors so that Nikon aficianados can use all their old glass.

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Jul 28, 2018 21:10:12   #
hawleyrw
 
Yep, looking back, even though I was already using film SLR’s for several years, when digital came along I went through three or four pretty sad digital cameras before I finally caught onto the digital SLR’s.

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Jul 28, 2018 21:31:46   #
SharpShooter
 
jburlinson wrote:
You mean around 1975? That's when the K-mount was introduced and it's still what's on Pentax cameras to this day, including their full-frame and mirrorless.


Yes, that's right! All the Canon bashers are always crying about when canon changed it's mount!!! It was almost THAT long ago too.
Only Nikon, sorta kept it. After shooting itself in both feet and finally dumping the old driveshaft for the Electronic Coupling but a little too late!!! It won't make THAT mistake TWICE when going to ML!!! LoL
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Jul 28, 2018 22:53:11   #
tdekany
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I am quite sure they will have IBIS.


It would be suicide not to have IBIS.

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Jul 28, 2018 22:57:56   #
tdekany
 
O2Ra wrote:
I didn’t read all this way too long . BUT the Nikon ff is not going to just have a rear screen .That is just being used on consumer products. Nikon is also developing professional lenses to go with these professional ff mirrorless cameras.


Sounds like Nikon fanboys will get some of their own medicine, since initially the native lens selection will be extremely limited.

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Jul 28, 2018 23:50:33   #
gwilliams6
 
In answer to all the youtube trolls now bagging Sony and predicting their mirrorless demise with Nikon and Canon bringing out fullframe mirrorless cameras. Here is former longtime Nikon pro and current Sony pro David Oastler (who has a worldwide following from all brand users on youtube, and a worldwide photo and video facebook group) to answer the ridiculous lies being thrown at Sony, especially the lie about Sony's latest color science vs Canon color science. BTW David is not paid by ANY manufacturer and will always be the first to tell it like it is, even about any Sony issues. FYI David wants Nikon and Canon to succeed with their fullframe mirrorless so ALL the manufacturers continue to innovate, including Sony, and we all win. Cheers

Can Sony compete with a Nikon & Canon full Frame Mirrorless release
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBExzIumip0

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Jul 29, 2018 02:21:03   #
lamiaceae (a regular here)
 
NJose wrote:
This week in a B&H email there was an article/ad about Nikon's new mirrolress DSLR coming soon (see link below). There are rumors about Canon also coming out with their own as well. That's great that they are finally getting into the game. I would expect that these two giant's will knock the socks of Sony with all of years of experience.

But, what was real interesting to me was the confirmation that the Nikon mirrorless will feature a brand-new mount (no official word from Canon yet), one that Nikon claims opens the door for groundbreaking optical opportunities. Now, bringing it home, that puts me in a bind, because I was looking to purchase the Canon 100-400 IS II L lens this year and a new camera in 2019 or early 2020. There is talk about an adapter, but who know how that will work out. My budget is limited and I hate to spend money into a dying line.

Your thoughts on continuing to invest in the current line of DSLR?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/news/nikons-exciting-entry-into-full-frame-mirrorless?utm_medium=Email%201686209&utm_campaign=Newsletter&utm_source=Newsletter%20180725&utm_content=Retail&utm_term=nikons-exciting-entry-into-full-frame-mirrorless&encEmail=964B8F39F761D7DFF6FF726CA3679A786B3059AF55EC711E95DC83FAE9BD5BF9
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Do remember Sony absorbed Minolta. So Sony has plenty of experience making cameras. Also as stated by others, Sony makes many of the sensors Nikon, Pentax and others use. I'm curious about the Nikon new camera lens mount. Really, why a new mount? I wonder how Ricoh Pentax as able to make a MILC camera, the Pentax K-01 a few years ago. Since it was quickly discontinued I felt it might be because it was a APS-C camera and not a FF. Yet the camera used a typical KA-mount and any and all Pentax lenses. Is there a known issue where even Pentax would have to change mounts to go with a FF MILC? Thus far various forms of the K-mount have worked for all of Film, APS-C DSLR, APS-C MILC, and more recently FF DSLR cameras.

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Jul 29, 2018 04:55:44   #
craggycrossers
 
gessman wrote:
Oh yow, I'm right there with you. Just thought I'd draw you out some to see just how "craggy" you wanted to be today.


I saw ya' coming old fella ! For an 82 yr old "Devil's Advocate" from Mile High City who occasionally likes to "stir up a little stink" you've had a "snipe" at me before.

Unsure why. But I don't forget. Perhaps I should change my nomenclature. Just for you? Nope ! But I "guess" you feel safe "sniping" from 5280 ft above sea level and more importantly sitting on the 105th meridian west of me.

Must be the mountain air !

Perhaps we can now get back to enjoying our mirrorless cameras ....... and no, I'll not be taking any "pot shot" at Canon's attempts so far !

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Jul 29, 2018 11:28:51   #
gwilliams6
 
tdekany wrote:
Sounds like Nikon fanboys will get some of their own medicine, since initially the native lens selection will be extremely limited.


Yep

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