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Jul 27, 2018 09:02:23   #
NJose
 
This week in a B&H email there was an article/ad about Nikon's new mirrolress DSLR coming soon (see link below). There are rumors about Canon also coming out with their own as well. That's great that they are finally getting into the game. I would expect that these two giant's will knock the socks of Sony with all of years of experience.

But, what was real interesting to me was the confirmation that the Nikon mirrorless will feature a brand-new mount (no official word from Canon yet), one that Nikon claims opens the door for groundbreaking optical opportunities. Now, bringing it home, that puts me in a bind, because I was looking to purchase the Canon 100-400 IS II L lens this year and a new camera in 2019 or early 2020. There is talk about an adapter, but who know how that will work out. My budget is limited and I hate to spend money into a dying line.

Your thoughts on continuing to invest in the current line of DSLR?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/news/nikons-exciting-entry-into-full-frame-mirrorless?utm_medium=Email%201686209&utm_campaign=Newsletter&utm_source=Newsletter%20180725&utm_content=Retail&utm_term=nikons-exciting-entry-into-full-frame-mirrorless&encEmail=964B8F39F761D7DFF6FF726CA3679A786B3059AF55EC711E95DC83FAE9BD5BF9

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Jul 27, 2018 09:22:08   #
gwilliams6
 
First dont expect Nikon and Canon to knock the "socks" off Sony. Sony will likely make the image sensor for Nikon's new fullframe mirrorless (as they do make the sensor for the Nikon D850). Sony is the world leader in image sensor tech and manufacture, has been for years. Sony also has many years in the fullframe mirrorless camera game, which counts for a lot. Don't think Sony will not answer and up the ante of any good entries from Nikon and Canon. Sony has the resources and they will not just surrender their leadership position in fullframe mirrorless cameras. Sony has new mirrorless camera releases upcoming and they will be watching what Canon and Nikon do and respond.

I do wish Nikon and Canon well in their fullframe mirrorless releases, as real competition benefits us all and keeps all the camera makers innovating. Canon and Nikon have both hinted they will use adapters to make their current lenses fit their upcoming mirrorless bodies, with their shorter flange-to-image sensor distance. Both Nikon and Canon have stated they will develop new lines of mirrorless lenses. These made for mirrorless lenses should work better than any older adapted glass. Yes looks like Nikon will come in with a new big lens mount, which could also be used later with any medium-format Nikon mirrorless image sensor in the future, a good move by Nikon.

If I was a current Canon user I would sit tight on any new lens purchases until Photokina in late September when there should be further info and/or actual prototypes of the new Nikon and Canon full frame mirrorless and you can then decide if your money is better spent on the new mirrorless cameras and their new mirrorless lenses which will be more compact. BTW, full disclosure. I was a top pro Nikon and Canon user for 40 years, and switched to Sony fullframe mirrorless back In January 2017 and have never looked back. Mirrorless has many distinct advantages over DSLR and I enjoy those distinct advantages every time I use my cameras. Nikon and Canon won't abandon their DSLR cameras, but they both recognize the future is in mirrorless tech and gear. It just took them a long time and Sony's success among amateurs and pros to finally get them off their DSLR-dominated thinking and pushed them to join the future. Cheers

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Jul 27, 2018 09:29:29   #
BebuLamar (a regular here)
 
My position since I don't want the mirrorless I would see if the world switch to mirrorless then I can buy my dream DSLR for less.
Now as far as the lens mount Canon may want to keep their existing EF mount for the reason that the EF mount has great lens to body interface which is all electronics. The only disadvantage is the flange distance which is too long for mirrorless and result in bigger camera but this issue is moot when you use long lens. Also the shorter flange distance allows for better design of the wide angle lens. However, Canon may take this disadvantage and keep the new camera compatible with the existing lens. So the new camera would have all the lenses it needs when it's introduced plus the fact it would make many Canon users happy. But in the case of new mount the adapter should work well and is easy to make.
In the case of Nikon, they change the mount because there are many incompatibility issues with their existing F mount and many lenses require significant amount of mechanical couplings which are expensive to build in a body yet not performing better.

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Jul 27, 2018 09:29:31   #
al13 (a regular here)
 
Does anyone think that Sony keeps the most innovative sensors for their own cameras?

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Jul 27, 2018 09:30:26   #
gwilliams6
 
al13 wrote:
Does anyone think that Sony keeps the most innovative sensors for their own cameras?


Yes

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Jul 27, 2018 09:43:40   #
cameraf4 (a regular here)
 
al13 wrote:
Does anyone think that Sony keeps the most innovative sensors for their own cameras?


Crossed my mind.

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Jul 27, 2018 09:58:36   #
Rich1939 (a regular here)
 
al13 wrote:
Does anyone think that Sony keeps the most innovative sensors for their own cameras?

Yes but only if those innovations are theirs! While Sony fabricates the sensor, Nikon usually designs the ones in their cameras. That would make any innovations propitiatory for Nikon

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Jul 27, 2018 10:03:18   #
Bill_de (a regular here)
 
al13 wrote:
Does anyone think that Sony keeps the most innovative sensors for their own cameras?


Just because Sony manufacturers a sensor, it doesn't mean they designed it. Sony manufacturers some/most of Nikon's sensors, some of which have been designed by Nikon. I believe that is true of the D850.

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Jul 27, 2018 10:26:52   #
gwilliams6
 
Bill_de wrote:
Just because Sony manufacturers a sensor, it doesn't mean they designed it. Sony manufacturers some/most of Nikon's sensors, some of which have been designed by Nikon. I believe that is true of the D850.

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Yes it was Nikon design but Sony manufacturing. What is your point. Nikon presently, and formerly Canon, have used Sony designed and/or manufactured by Sony sensors for years. Canon has ventured out on their own in the making of their sensors, a good or bad move depending on the results for their fullframe mirrorless, as the dynamic range of Canon's best DSLR camera sensors fall far short of the DR in the best sensors in top Nikon and Sony cameras. . But you can expect Sony to constantly improve sensor tech for their future releases. We will all see how new good entries from Nikon and Canon force Sony to push the tech envelope even further. It is all good folks. Cheers

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Jul 27, 2018 10:27:32   #
NJose
 
What are some of the mirrorless distinct advantages over DSLR?

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Jul 27, 2018 10:28:15   #
RonM12
 
[quote=gwilliams6]First dont expect Nikon and Canon to knock the "socks" off Sony. Sony will likely make the image sensor for Nikon's new fullframe mirrorless (as they do make the sensor for the Nikon D850). Sony is the world leader in image

I have a Nikon D850, and it’s my understanding the sensor is made by a company called tower jazz, Sony image sensors have been used in previous Nikon dslr cameras. It’s rumored that tower jazz may give Sony a run for their money in the sensor market. It will be interesting what sensor Nikon uses in their mirror less camera.

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Jul 27, 2018 10:30:46   #
gwilliams6
 
[quote=RonM12]
gwilliams6 wrote:
First dont expect Nikon and Canon to knock the "socks" off Sony. Sony will likely make the image sensor for Nikon's new fullframe mirrorless (as they do make the sensor for the Nikon D850). Sony is the world leader in image

I have a Nikon D850, and it’s my understanding the sensor is made by a company called tower jazz, Sony image sensors have been used in previous Nikon dslr cameras. It’s rumored that tower jazz may give Sony a run for their money in the sensor market. It will be interesting what sensor Nikon uses in their mirror less camera.
First dont expect Nikon and Canon to knock the &qu... (show quote)


They took apart the D850 and proved it was a Sony-made sensor. The videos are on youtube and the pictures of the printing on the D850 sensor also prove it was made by Sony. Nikon has NOT denied it, neither has Sony.

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Jul 27, 2018 10:33:16   #
Rich1939 (a regular here)
 
[quote=RonM12]
gwilliams6 wrote:
First dont expect Nikon and Canon to knock the "socks" off Sony. Sony will likely make the image sensor for Nikon's new fullframe mirrorless (as they do make the sensor for the Nikon D850). Sony is the world leader in image

I have a Nikon D850, and it’s my understanding the sensor is made by a company called tower jazz, Sony image sensors have been used in previous Nikon dslr cameras. It’s rumored that tower jazz may give Sony a run for their money in the sensor market. It will be interesting what sensor Nikon uses in their mirror less camera.
First dont expect Nikon and Canon to knock the &qu... (show quote)


The Tower Jazz rumor has been replaced by factual information. The sensor in the D850 is fabricated by Sony. There was an article on line a while back where a sensor removed from a D850 was analyzed.

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Jul 27, 2018 12:52:07   #
Strodav
 
Like any new camera models I'll go through the specs and read all the reviews before making any decisions. Especially want to know if the AF is faster and better and that all other capabilities we are use to are as good or better. Generally, I do not buy a first year model, but let them work the bugs out first. Am hoping that DSLR bodies and lenses significantly drop in price as the industry shifts to mirrorless. Since mirrorless bodies are less complex with no moving parts, I hope they are less expensive than DSLR, but somehow I think the big guys will figure out a way to convince us to pay more.

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Jul 27, 2018 13:21:12   #
HOT Texas (a regular here)
 
knock the socks of Sony? What a joke, Nikon and Canon are so far behind they will never catch up

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