Can't help feeling like I'm cheating.. (Page 4): Smartphone cameras easily best the output from most FF 35mm film point-and-shoot cameras of the era (1960s

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

AlfredU wrote:

I'm sorry, the Rollei was a full frame film camera with Carl Zeiss optics and was full adjustable. You cannot possibly compare today's cell phones with tiny sensors to this fine camera. More than my opinion, just a fact.

Smartphone cameras easily best the output from most FF 35mm film point-and-shoot cameras of the era (1960s — 1990s), especially when compared to 400 speed films.

Besides, just try to post a 35mm film image to the Internet a minute after you make it...

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

JohnSwanda wrote:

The best cell phone cameras today are much, much better than the old film point and shoot cameras like the Instamatic. If you work within their limitations, like avoiding low or bad lighting, fast action, etc. they can produce large prints of very good quality.

So, yeah, they hold the same relative place to modern DSLRs that the Instamatic held to 35mm film cameras. SS's point is made by your post. Just as phone cameras are a huge improvement over the Instamatic, today's DSLRs are a huge improvement over old 35mm cameras.

JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco

AlfredU wrote:

I agree completely, SS. You have no control over focus, shutter speed or aperture. The sensor is miniscule so I would never describe IQ as anything other than acceptable for the web. You have control over composition if you can see the image despite glare. So, yeah, your comparison to the old Instamatic is accurate. Except composition was easier.

I have seen large prints from the best cell phone cameras which had excellent IQ. They may not have control over focus, shutter speed or aperture, but their auto functions for those things are miles better than the old Instamatics.

chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA

SharpShooter wrote:

The only thing thatâs getting cheated is your photography!!!
Todayâs cell phone is little more than yesterdayâs Instamatic and they werenât any good either!!! LoL
SS

...right...Instamatic...

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

AlfredU wrote:

I agree completely, SS. You have no control over focus, shutter speed or aperture. The sensor is miniscule so I would never describe IQ as anything other than acceptable for the web. You have control over composition if you can see the image despite glare. So, yeah, your comparison to the old Instamatic is accurate. Except composition was easier.

This is complete bunk. I own an iPhone 7 Plus. I own a mirrorless (Lumix GH4). I’ve worked with Canon and Nikon full frame and APS-C dSLRs over the years, plus film cameras from 4x5 through long roll 70, 46, and 35mm, all 120 formats, and 35mm perforated film formats. Oh, throw in several Polaroids and an Instamatic 126, too! So I can say with certainty:

Some smartphones can save raw files.
Some smartphones allow full manual control of everything but aperture. That means focus, ISO and shutter, plus white balance.
Smartphones themselves can run post-processing apps, including Lightroom CC 2018.

IQ in good light is sufficient for nice 16x20 prints. We have three on our walls. IQ in bad light is still better than pushing 35mm Tri-X!

While I’d never use my iPhone for a professional job (unless it were an absolute emergency), I can say without doubt, in daily use, it is better than all the fixed lens amateur film cameras I ever had.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

gerdog wrote:

My old instamatic couldn't take a quick video and upload it to the internet instantly.

Neither could a Leica!!! LoL
SS

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

One more thought... Jane and John Q. Public who used 4x6 prints back more than 15 years ago LOVE their smartphones! They could care less about the sort of IQ we get from advanced cameras, because they don’t have enough knowledge and savvy experience to get it.

What they DO care about is sharing their experiences on FaceTwit, InstaBook, and YouBoob.

pila

BlueMorel wrote:

...when I use my cellphone camera (Galaxy 6). It still feels like a toy to me even though it comes in handy. Sorta like using a remote to change the TV channels instead of having to get up and turn a dial.

The best camera you have is the camera you got with you.

wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado

BlueMorel wrote:

...when I use my cellphone camera (Galaxy 6). It still feels like a toy to me even though it comes in handy. Sorta like using a remote to change the TV channels instead of having to get up and turn a dial.

The only two suggestions that I have are (1) upgrade to the S7 or better and (2) quit feeling bad using the only camera at hand. I know there are some here that will tell you that they are not really cameras, yet there are 100s of millions of people using them as such. Some of the cellphone cameras are "less than optimal". But starting with the S7 and up, manufactures have spent a lot of time and money to make them true cameras. The bad pictures that the others claim prove that cellphone cameras are crap are from crappy cellphone photographers. There are even National Geographic photo editors that are willing to leave their big cameras behind in favor of the unobtrusive cellphone for candid shooting. Do you really think they would rely on a "crappy" cellphone cameras for those shots? You should have no guilt at using the best camera at hand when others are not available.

n3eg Loc: West coast USA

Sorry, but I am embarrassed by using a cellphone camera. I might as well be using a toy "Hello Kitty" camera.

safeman

n3eg wrote:

Sorry, but I am embarrassed by using a cellphone camera. I might as well be using a toy "Hello Kitty" camera.

You should never do anything that causes you discomfort or embarrassment.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

dsmeltz wrote:

So, yeah, they hold the same relative place to modern DSLRs that the Instamatic held to 35mm film cameras. SS's point is made by your post. Just as phone cameras are a huge improvement over the Instamatic, today's DSLRs are a huge improvement over old 35mm cameras.

Thanks DS, I could not have said that better myself!!!

SS

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

n3eg wrote:

Sorry, but I am embarrassed by using a cellphone camera. I might as well be using a toy "Hello Kitty" camera.

Hello Kitty is SOOOOO COOOL!!!

Said my 8 year old great niece!

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

burkphoto wrote:

This is complete bunk. I own an iPhone 7 Plus. I o... (show quote)

LoL, burk, I’ll admit, your phone is probably better than that little 4:3’s toy of yours!!!

But you still wouldn’t do a professional job with it...., would you? Why??? LoL
SS

ToBoldlyGo Loc: London U.K.

SharpShooter wrote:

LoL, burk, I’ll admit, your phone is probably better than that little 4:3’s toy of yours!!!

But you still wouldn’t do a professional job with it...., would you? Why??? LoL
SS

Are you enjoying arguing over nothing? I wouldn't try and squeeze my DSLR into places which my smartphone will fit comfortably. Different tools which have various strengths AND weaknesses. Yes, a "real" camera has weaknesses which a smartphone will excel in.