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Jul 11, 2018 22:50:21   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
burkphoto wrote:
No, I get it. My degree is in economics.

But there IS a lot of money here. About 50 miles away, is Lake Norman. Stock car drivers and team owners, bankers and brokers, company execs, day traders... not a lot of cheapness there.

To be sure, but I'm not talking about those who are wealthy, and we have a lot of them too. I'm talking about a large segment of average middle income population who would not be able to afford luxury cars elsewhere but can buy them here because of their high salaries as a result of the very expensive cost of living. I'm talking about firemen, plumbers, policemen, nurses, office workers, school teachers, shop owners, computer programmers, as well as low and middle management.

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Jul 12, 2018 00:13:59   #
Besperus Loc: Oregon
 
I’m 70. Sometimes I wish I had a camera with a certain lens, or a motor drive or a powerful flash/ fill flash...whatever. Carrying a bag full of gadgets and accessories makes sense,not.
A compact (mirrorless?) camera possible bridge type or even a fixed kens full frame?
Crop images later, better than missing an opportunity. Or, the handy cell phone when lacking and “camera”.

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Jul 12, 2018 00:22:13   #
dat2ra Loc: Sacramento
 
If the people in the group are into hiking at a fast pace, that's what you do. If you want to be a slow poke and take photos, go alone or with other photographers. It's not your group.

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Jul 12, 2018 05:42:25   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Tom Daniels wrote:
This is such a true post Architect1776. When I was young I lived in NYC. In my 20's in manhattan I got my first 35mm camera a Pentax spotmatic. traveling around the city, working and just walking
in central park and other places I found a fascination with visuals. I had gone to the School of Visual Arts but quit early to take job as an Assistant Art Director in an Ad agency. I traveled in the
country winter and summer with my girlfriend and had the camera most of the time. I shot the Poor Peoples March on lark and the emotion moved me. It is hard with a wife not really interested
and 5 grandchildren one of which is staying at our place in Florida. I am a producer who had a wonderful career still working but mostly shooting video and some stills for cash and charity work.
Have tried to get my grandaughter interested in visuals and art and it seems to be working.

But taking the time to shoot for art and story is not available often. I am a documentary story teller now but finding time for myself is not easy.
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Jul 12, 2018 05:43:18   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
mwsilvers wrote:
To be sure, but I'm not talking about those who are wealthy, and we have a lot of them too. I'm talking about a large segment of average middle income population who would not be able to afford luxury cars elsewhere but can buy them here because of their high salaries as a result of the very expensive cost of living. I'm talking about firemen, plumbers, policemen, nurses, office workers, school teachers, shop owners, computer programmers, as well as low and middle management.



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Jul 12, 2018 09:54:17   #
Kingman
 
This was also a tough one for me. When I was an adult leader for the Boy Scouts and backpacking 8-15 miles a day with a crew of 15 people, I could not (would not) stop for photo opportunities unless it was a scheduled rest stop. Later when I would be backpacking with a smaller group of 3-4 like on the Kalalau Trail in Kauai, again it was typically more important to make the time on the trail than to stop and do a complete photo session. My solution for this dilemma was to enjoyed the scenery along the hike and again grab shots at scheduled rest stops, if possible. Have I missed shots I wanted to get? Yes, but I know I'll get my shots at the campsite destination. Last year on the Kalalau Trail we were hiking into a light rain shower and I said to myself and to a hiking mate that there was going to be a rainbow when we come around the corner of the next bend and sure enough, there it was... a gorgeous full double rainbow. Ok, I said drop packs and get the gear out and start shooting away. It must have been less than 2 minutes and it was simply a wonderful sight of a double rainbow with the NaPali cliffs in the background and then it was gone! This one, I had to stop for and this has been the one exception after many years of backpacking trips. Normally for only a day hikes (without a full backpack), the time allocated allows for shoots all along the hike. So, other than the once time last year, while backpacking I will not stop for a shot. I capture it neurologically for the moment and not digitally! In the car when I have equipment with me, I will stop for a shots along the road. If I am out with people in the city, and I see something, there's always the cell phone camera! Street photography is about timing and sometimes you've got to quickly grab what you can and fire away with whatever camera you have with you at the time.

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Jul 12, 2018 11:32:09   #
Bill Emmett Loc: Bow, New Hampshire
 
When I take a walk in the woods, I always take my camera. You never know what you may see. Here in New Hampshire we have no shortage of woods, nor hiking trails. My style of walking trails is to walk from one raised spot to another, and try not to make as little noise as possible. Most of the time I walk either alone, or with my wife, who knows the silence drill. I will not walk with a mountain biker, a group of gabby bird watchers, or anyone who thinks he is a human bulldozer. Those people never see any wildlife, and often walk into danger. For city shooting I set-up my camera for a shot well in advance, since street photography is done within the instant. During both types of shooting I have my monopod and is ready

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Jul 12, 2018 13:46:06   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
bgrn wrote:
For starters this last few weeks have been great, a week in upstate New York visiting the city with my son and his family, a week of work, then last week camping at Crater Lake Oregon with several of our friends.

So here is my dilemma, how would you handle these.

First in New York, the city pace is about 200 mph, driving with my son is like a really good ride at an amusement park, not the best situation to take pictures. There were several times when a perfect shot presented itself, like a great sunset through the towering city for example. It's not like Utah, you can't just stop on the side of the road, set up and take the shot. Although I was able to get some nice shots in the museums and in central park. How do you handle really fast paste environments?

Next, at Crater Lake, I was the only one that is into any type of photography. When I would see something while hiking on a trail for example, I would stop and try to take the time to set up and take pictures from different angles and vantage points. I felt like the group we were hiking with wanted to go at a faster pace than I was allowing, even though most of the time they would just keep on going and I would catch up when i finished. But sometimes they would have to wait for me so that we all made sure we took the same and or correct trail spur. So how would you handle being in a group and being the only one who stops to take these pictures? (however my wife has learned that when she stops with me she actually finds more things to look at that she would have otherwise missed, she likes stopping with me now and is not so worried about the end but is starting to enjoy the trip)
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A failure to plan is planning to fail.
If I see a place in a fast pace area I see where I would like to be and when and PLAN on action that will deliver me to the spot when I want to take the shot. If however, you see something once from a moving car or train, well then, like the rest of us, take a shot with your eyes.
Now, on the hiking trip you were being selfish, keeping the others from moving at a quicker pace. Next time go with a GROUP of PHOTOGRAPHERS, and you will not have that problem. That hiking problem is on you bud, put on your big boy pants and learn how to deal with it.

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Jul 12, 2018 13:54:29   #
Kingman
 
billnikon wrote:
A failure to plan is planning to fail.
If I see a place in a fast pace area I see where I would like to be and when and PLAN on action that will deliver me to the spot when I want to take the shot. If however, you see something once from a moving car or train, well then, like the rest of us, take a shot with your eyes.
Now, on the hiking trip you were being selfish, keeping the others from moving at a quicker pace. Next time go with a GROUP of PHOTOGRAPHERS, and you will not have that problem. That hiking problem is on you bud, put on your big boy pants and learn how to deal with it.
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Hiking with a group of photographers probably wouldn't get you very far!

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Jul 12, 2018 14:10:22   #
shelty Loc: Medford, OR
 
Kingman wrote:
This was also a tough one for me. When I was an adult leader for the Boy Scouts and backpacking 8-15 miles a day with a crew of 15 people, I could not (would not) stop for photo opportunities unless it was a scheduled rest stop. Later when I would be backpacking with a smaller group of 3-4 like on the Kalalau Trail in Kauai, again it was typically more important to make the time on the trail than to stop and do a complete photo session. My solution for this dilemma was to enjoyed the scenery along the hike and again grab shots at scheduled rest stops, if possible. Have I missed shots I wanted to get? Yes, but I know I'll get my shots at the campsite destination. Last year on the Kalalau Trail we were hiking into a light rain shower and I said to myself and to a hiking mate that there was going to be a rainbow when we come around the corner of the next bend and sure enough, there it was... a gorgeous full double rainbow. Ok, I said drop packs and get the gear out and start shooting away. It must have been less than 2 minutes and it was simply a wonderful sight of a double rainbow with the NaPali cliffs in the background and then it was gone! This one, I had to stop for and this has been the one exception after many years of backpacking trips. Normally for only a day hikes (without a full backpack), the time allocated allows for shoots all along the hike. So, other than the once time last year, while backpacking I will not stop for a shot. I capture it neurologically for the moment and not digitally! In the car when I have equipment with me, I will stop for a shots along the road. If I am out with people in the city, and I see something, there's always the cell phone camera! Street photography is about timing and sometimes you've got to quickly grab what you can and fire away with whatever camera you have with you at the time.
This was also a tough one for me. When I was an ad... (show quote)


Of course when I read "setting up", it tells me that someone is setting up a tripod, putting their camera on it, etc, etc. With modern day cameras, they can do away with the tripod. If you want a picture, just lift your camera up and shoot away - taking less time than taking a swig of water. I've shot hundreds of pictures without a tripod and got sharp pictures with no camera movement.

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