Best Camera for "Street Photography"?
Jul 10, 2018 08:32:31 #
tdekany wrote:
I highly doubt it.
I’d like to highly doubt it, but there’s a sucker born every minute. The scene vaguely reminds me of a layer cake composition mural that sold for seven figures.
Jul 10, 2018 09:06:29 #
Jul 10, 2018 09:16:44 #
burkphoto wrote:
Iâd like to highly doubt it, but thereâs a sucker born every minute. The scene vaguely reminds me of a layer cake composition mural that sold for seven figures.
Yes, I remember that photo. Amazing that it was sold at all not to mention the price.
Even Apaflo says: "Street Photography that is absent actual people in the image is diffcult, and rarely done well enough to be interesting". And this photo with the truck, it that really interesting?
In the past Apaflo made reference to Henri Cartier Bresson as one of the founders of Street Photography. So I have to ask, in this scene with the vehicle, what is "THE DECISIVE MOMENT". Would the shot be missed if it was 1/250 earlier or later? How about 5 seconds earlier or later ?
Jul 10, 2018 10:02:24 #
Jul 10, 2018 11:44:37 #
tdekany wrote:
Because you wouldn’t call BIF landscape, would you? That picture is of a landscape with a car in the middle.
Sort of ignorant about Street!
The vehicle ruins it as a landscape, which is very obvious. The question is why is there a vehicle in the picture, and how does it relate to the surroundings? Classic Street Photography!
The vehicle is a artifact of humanity and is in essence a "human condition" reference. But the subject is the intangible relationships between that lanscape and the human presence signified by a truck.
It can't be more Street than that. But you do have to understand what Street really is to recognize it. That image is a terrific learning device.
Jul 10, 2018 12:07:18 #
Graham Smith wrote:
It isn't street because there is no street evident in the picture.
Street noun: A road in a city or town that has buildings that are usually close together along one or both sides.
From the Cambridge University Dictionary
Street noun: A road in a city or town that has buildings that are usually close together along one or both sides.
From the Cambridge University Dictionary
First, there is in fact a street. It is called Freshwater Lake Road.
But heaven forbid you are claiming that is the definition of street in the term Street Photography. It adamantly is NOT.
The term Street Photography refers to any community where the photographer is a flaneur. It can be a beach, inside a building, next to a road or in a remote forest miles from a road.
Check out Eric Kim's recent blog entry. See how many images are on a roadway (1) as opposed to inside a building (6).
https://erickimphotography.com/blog/2017/07/17/street-photography-flaneur/
Jul 10, 2018 12:50:19 #
travelwp wrote:
Yes, I remember that photo. Amazing that it was s... (show quote)
Okay, look up the concept HCB had of the "decisive moment". Note those were not his words at all! He called his book "Images on the Run" and the "decisive moment" term, found only in the introduction, quotes Cardinal Retz from the 17th century.
Note that HCB was a photojournalist and a humanist photographer first and foremost, with Street Photography being only a secondary genre that often showed up in his work.
It makes no difference if you accept that particular image as "interesting", primarily because you have repeatedly expressed such great interest in it!
The decisive moment is over a continuum of time not bounded by constraints like short, or even long, intervals. HCB clearly sometimes worked an image over months. But my image certainly would have disappeared entirely within as little as a hour and absolutely in a day.
But the real point is that none of the above actually has any significance in regard to that photograph. All the more so when you cite things not understood any better than that photograph.
Jul 10, 2018 13:14:41 #
Apaflo wrote:
Okay, look up the concept HCB had of the "decisive moment". Note those were not his words at all! .
Check your history, HCB has been credited or tagged with the "decisive moment", despite the author.
Second look up his thousands of photos of HCB and post a couple where there are no people or parts of people in the shot. Almost nil.
Since you like to get personal about people on here that are posting, let me join you: Your opinion of your photo is only yours, of the hundreds on here, nobody has supported you on your truck photo. You are pissing against the tide.
Jul 10, 2018 13:35:56 #
travelwp wrote:
Check your history, HCB has been credited or tagged with the "decisive moment", despite the author.
True! By people who have never read his books and gloss over, usually from other sources like themselves, what the man did and said!
What he actually did was significant, but incorrect glossed recounts that are not accurate or are just pretentious about the significance are worthless!
travelwp wrote:
Second look up his thousands of photos of HCB and post a couple where there are no people or parts of people in the shot. Almost nil.
What possible significance can that have?
HCB was primarily a humanist photographer who did photojounalism. Why would he take many pictures without people in them, and why would any Street Photographer care?
travelwp wrote:
Since you like to get personal about people on here that are posting, let me join you: Your opinion of your photo is only yours, of the hundreds on here, nobody has supported you on your truck photo. You are pissing against the tide.
You are the one who is getting personal, and that seems to be your only intent. And entirely without integrity. Why would I care who you think supports anything or which way you see the tide going.
Jul 10, 2018 15:38:12 #
Apaflo wrote:
It makes no difference if you accept that particular image as "interesting", primarily because you have repeatedly expressed such great interest in it!
There are hundreds on here who don't agree with your definition of Street Photography. I'm sure if folks had to choose which of the following photos were Street Photography. You would be the ONLY ONE to say BOTH.
Jul 10, 2018 17:17:18 #
travelwp wrote:
There are hundreds on here who don't agree with your definition of Street Photography. I'm sure if folks had to choose which of the following photos were Street Photography. You would be the ONLY ONE to say BOTH.
You can say that all you like, but it isn't, and would not make any difference even if it were.
Remember how when I started the Street Photography Section here on UHH there were half a dozen members who ever so adamantly objected to my definitions that they started an alternate Street Section to prove just how wrong I was! It has in fact proven just how right my definitions are in the eyes of Street Photographers here on UHH.
Reality actually is important when discussing these topics.
Jul 10, 2018 20:40:18 #
Apaflo wrote:
It has in fact proven just how right my definitions are in the eyes of Street Photographers here on UHH.
I'm skeptical of your comment. Many had left your UHH section and I didn't see any that agreed with you. Perhaps you could name a few that agreed with you so I can go back and correct my opinion.
Jul 10, 2018 21:06:13 #
travelwp wrote:
I'm skeptical of your comment. Many had left your UHH section and I didn't see any that agreed with you. Perhaps you could name a few that agreed with you so I can go back and correct my opinion.
You sure like to make things up in order to get into pointless arguments. The truth is that you saw no one in that section disagree with me. You don't even read the articles there!
The Street Photography Section is subscribed to by 896 members, there have been nearly 20 thousand posts on nearly 2000 topics in the 2-1/2 years it has existed. It is clearly the most popular section created during that time period and looks to perhaps be the most popular "specialty" section on UHH.
Sorry to step on the bubble you were dreaming.
Jul 10, 2018 21:19:11 #
Apaflo wrote:
The Street Photography Section is subscribed to by 896 members,.
And..... you can't even name 2 or 3 that agree with you.
Especially about your truck photo:
Jul 10, 2018 21:37:34 #
travelwp wrote:
And..... you can't even name 2 or 3 that agree with you.
Especially about your truck photo:
Especially about your truck photo:
I just pointed out where you can find the names of dozens. What you can't do it seems is make a rational point that has any significance at all.
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