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Mar 4, 2018 20:06:12   #
martinfisherphoto
 
I went ahead and purchased the D500 for my birding and macro camera. I'm also a die hard landscape photographer and had considered purchasing just the D850 for both uses. My only concern was in the DX mode the D850 only rendered 19MP files. My thoughts were if any cropping was needed which is for wildlife I would be left with less then amble MP's. I've shot with both the D600 and D7200 and like the extra perceived reach of the DX D7200 over the D600 for wildlife. At this time I still have several weeks left on the return period for the refurbished D500. If I was to keep the D500 I thought of purchasing a lightly used D810 for my landscapes and night photography. Both would equal the price of the new D850.. Any thoughts from the pros who have used the D850 for the uses I've mentioned. Do I make the single purchase or get both cameras?????

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Mar 4, 2018 21:36:27   #
MT Shooter (a regular here)
 
martinfisherphoto wrote:
I went ahead and purchased the D500 for my birding and macro camera. I'm also a die hard landscape photographer and had considered purchasing just the D850 for both uses. My only concern was in the DX mode the D850 only rendered 19MP files. My thoughts were if any cropping was needed which is for wildlife I would be left with less then amble MP's. I've shot with both the D600 and D7200 and like the extra perceived reach of the DX D7200 over the D600 for wildlife. At this time I still have several weeks left on the return period for the refurbished D500. If I was to keep the D500 I thought of purchasing a lightly used D810 for my landscapes and night photography. Both would equal the price of the new D850.. Any thoughts from the pros who have used the D850 for the uses I've mentioned. Do I make the single purchase or get both cameras?????
I went ahead and purchased the D500 for my birding... (show quote)


I was one of the very first owners of the D800E in April 2012, loved it from day 1. I never moved up to the D810 as a primary camera as it was a very minor upgrade over the D800E and gave me no new features I needed. My D850 is absolutely amazing but my D800E will forever be a backup until it dies.
Right now there are some GREAT buys on low use D810s that would make a great companion to your D500 and it would never disappoint you for landscape shots.

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Mar 4, 2018 21:46:32   #
btbg
 
I tend to concur. If you purchased a used or refurbished D810 to go with your D500 you would have both a good full frame camera and a good dx camera for roughly the same price as a D850.

I have a D500 as my backup camera and a friend who has a D810 as his primary camera. Both are good cameras which are well built, and give good results.

I have not yet used a D850, so can't speak to how much of an improvement it might be from a D810.

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Mar 5, 2018 18:15:58   #
martinfisherphoto
 
Yes, MT, I've been watching the flood of lightly used D810's hit B&H and Adorama. Have always wanted the camera for landscapes.
MT Shooter wrote:
I was one of the very first owners of the D800E in April 2012, loved it from day 1. I never moved up to the D810 as a primary camera as it was a very minor upgrade over the D800E and gave me no new features I needed. My D850 is absolutely amazing but my D800E will forever be a backup until it dies.
Right now there are some GREAT buys on low use D810s that would make a great companion to your D500 and it would never disappoint you for landscape shots.

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Mar 5, 2018 18:19:55   #
MT Shooter (a regular here)
 
martinfisherphoto wrote:
Yes, MT, I've been watching the flood of lightly used D810's hit B&H and Adorama. Have always wanted the camera for landscapes.


I have had 5 of them traded in just in my little store, luckily I have gotten them all sold. I also took 2 Canon 5D MK IV, 3 5D MK III, & 3 6D bodies in on trade for the D850's. Its been a VERY high demand body!
The only trade in bodies I still have is one D750, everything else has been sold locally or Ebayed.

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Mar 5, 2018 18:19:56   #
martinfisherphoto
 
Thanks btbg.. I was hoping to hear from someone that has used the D850 for wildlife. It makes sense to have two cameras instead of just the one. I just can't justify purchasing the D850 if I get the two others. Do you get the best, or the other top choices?
btbg wrote:
I tend to concur. If you purchased a used or refurbished D810 to go with your D500 you would have both a good full frame camera and a good dx camera for roughly the same price as a D850.

I have a D500 as my backup camera and a friend who has a D810 as his primary camera. Both are good cameras which are well built, and give good results.

I have not yet used a D850, so can't speak to how much of an improvement it might be from a D810.

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Mar 8, 2018 09:54:40   #
Steve Perry
 
I've been shooting the D850 for wildlife quite a bit and really love it. Yes, it's slightly less resolution than the D500 in DX crop mode (19.4 vs 20.9), but that's honestly not enough to care about. The difference between the D850 and the D7200 in resolution is a bit more significant, but still under most situations isn't going to make or break the shot.

One thing to consider is that when the subject is taking up more than the DX area (which is, ideally, most of the time), even when you crop you still have more MP than with the D500 or D7200. I routinely can fill most of the frame with my D850 and maybe only need to crop down to 30~35MP - and often not at all.

As for the D810 vs the D850 for wildlife, IMO it's no contest - the D850 all the way. The D850 has WAY better AF, a deeper buffer, better ability to crop, a faster frame rate (and a MUCH faster frame rate with the grip) etc. I have used my D810 for wildlife and always went back to my D5. Although it was lower res, it was far better at consistently nailing action shots.

However, that's changed with the D850. While it still isn't up to D5 specs, it's good enough that it's become my primary wildlife camera. In fact, on my last trip to FL doing bird action, the D5 never came out of the bag - it was D850 all the way. I've attached just a few shots below from it. IMO, it's the best overall wildlife camera on the market. For more photos, check put my recent additions gallery. As of right now, everything currently in that gallery is from the D850:
https://backcountrygallery.com/recent-additions/

The only way I'd recommend a D500 over it would be if you need the DX crop "reach" for the majority of your shots. If you're really never going to use it beyond the DX crop, no sense in spending the extra money. Otherwise though, D850 FTW.


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Mar 8, 2018 09:58:05   #
blackest (a regular here)
 
Steve Perry wrote:
I've been shooting the D850 for wildlife quite a bit and really love it. Yes, it's slightly less resolution than the D500 in DX crop mode (19.4 vs 20.9), but that's honestly not enough to care about. The difference between the D850 and the D7200 in resolution is a bit more significant, but still under most situations isn't going to make or break the shot.

One thing to consider is that when the subject is taking up more than the DX area (which is, ideally, most of the time), even when you crop you still have more MP than with the D500 or D7200. I routinely can fill most of the frame with my D850 and maybe only need to crop down to 30~35MP - and often not at all.

As for the D810 vs the D850 for wildlife, IMO it's no contest - the D850 all the way. The D850 has WAY better AF, a deeper buffer, better ability to crop, a faster frame rate (and a MUCH faster frame rate with the grip) etc. I have used my D810 for wildlife and always went back to my D5. Although it was lower res, it was far better at consistently nailing action shots.

However, that's changed with the D850. While it still isn't up to D5 specs, it's good enough that it's become my primary wildlife camera. In fact, on my last trip to FL doing bird action, the D5 never came out of the bag - it was D850 all the way. I've attached just a few shots below from it. IMO, it's the best overall wildlife camera on the market. For more photos, check put my recent additions gallery. As of right now, everything currently in that gallery is from the D850:
https://backcountrygallery.com/recent-additions/
I've been shooting the D850 for wildlife quite a b... (show quote)


A tad off topic, I was looking at the Orton effect and found a video of yours. You said you used the orton effect for most photos, would that include any of the photos in your post here?

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Mar 8, 2018 10:39:20   #
Steve Perry
 
blackest wrote:
A tad off topic, I was looking at the Orton effect and found a video of yours. You said you used the orton effect for most photos, would that include any of the photos in your post here?


I have a couple of light glow effects I tend to use - but VERY sparingly for wildlife (I like "glow" effects better for landscapes). I think I did use a little Orton effect on the elk for the background (can't remember for sure). When I do use glow effects, it's typically for backgrounds and not directly "on" the subjects themselves.

I probably used a different glow technique on some of the other images (less intense than Orton) as well. Helps keep the viewer on the subject, but again, only very light and very sparingly for wildlife work.

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Mar 8, 2018 14:13:55   #
blackest (a regular here)
 
Steve Perry wrote:
I have a couple of light glow effects I tend to use - but VERY sparingly for wildlife (I like "glow" effects better for landscapes). I think I did use a little Orton effect on the elk for the background (can't remember for sure). When I do use glow effects, it's typically for backgrounds and not directly "on" the subjects themselves.

I probably used a different glow technique on some of the other images (less intense than Orton) as well. Helps keep the viewer on the subject, but again, only very light and very sparingly for wildlife work.
I have a couple of light glow effects I tend to us... (show quote)


Thank you, I will have to see if i can master it lightly :)

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Mar 10, 2018 20:20:15   #
martinfisherphoto
 
Thanks Steve, the type of feedback I was looking for. As it is the D500 is on it's way back due to focusing issues. I tried several different focusing modes, even using the one's you suggested in your D500 review. With still subjects the camera did excellent, but both my D7200 and D600 had better keeper rates with BIF. I spent several days shooting owls and then three separate trips shooting Large water birds and Osprey all large and close targets. If I didn't have upwards of 80% keeper rate and higher with my other cameras I would say the focusing issues were user related. I will now seriously consider the D850 for both my wildlife and landscape camera. Will cost me the same amount regardless of my choices. Thanks again.....
Steve Perry wrote:
I've been shooting the D850 for wildlife quite a bit and really love it. Yes, it's slightly less resolution than the D500 in DX crop mode (19.4 vs 20.9), but that's honestly not enough to care about. The difference between the D850 and the D7200 in resolution is a bit more significant, but still under most situations isn't going to make or break the shot.

One thing to consider is that when the subject is taking up more than the DX area (which is, ideally, most of the time), even when you crop you still have more MP than with the D500 or D7200. I routinely can fill most of the frame with my D850 and maybe only need to crop down to 30~35MP - and often not at all.

As for the D810 vs the D850 for wildlife, IMO it's no contest - the D850 all the way. The D850 has WAY better AF, a deeper buffer, better ability to crop, a faster frame rate (and a MUCH faster frame rate with the grip) etc. I have used my D810 for wildlife and always went back to my D5. Although it was lower res, it was far better at consistently nailing action shots.

However, that's changed with the D850. While it still isn't up to D5 specs, it's good enough that it's become my primary wildlife camera. In fact, on my last trip to FL doing bird action, the D5 never came out of the bag - it was D850 all the way. I've attached just a few shots below from it. IMO, it's the best overall wildlife camera on the market. For more photos, check put my recent additions gallery. As of right now, everything currently in that gallery is from the D850:
https://backcountrygallery.com/recent-additions/

The only way I'd recommend a D500 over it would be if you need the DX crop "reach" for the majority of your shots. If you're really never going to use it beyond the DX crop, no sense in spending the extra money. Otherwise though, D850 FTW.
I've been shooting the D850 for wildlife quite a b... (show quote)

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