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Feb 14, 2018 17:02:59   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
This was becoming more and more apparent as we progressed into the 90's. Attitudes and respect begin at home...

www.military.com/daily-news/2018/02/09/low-discipline-new-soldiers-prompts-army-redesign-basic-training.html?ESRC=army-a_180214.nl

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Feb 15, 2018 06:25:31   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
Lack of respect for others is becoming the norm. We see it every day on the roads. In the news - so many people shooting others every day. No respect for businesses - LL Bean had to stop their policy of lifetime returns because it was being abused - some people would outfit their kids for the school year and then at the end of the year send everything back to LL Bean for new items, complaining that the ones they had purchased were too small, and then get a whole new outfit for the next school year. A friend worked at Penny's and was disappointed at their willingness to let customers walk all over them - returning ANYTHING. They would have people return obviously used underwear and stinky well-slept-in bed sheets.

Oh yes - we see it on this blog often - some members are very quick to turn nasty or to make snide comments to a newbie who has asked a newbie question.

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Feb 15, 2018 06:31:07   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
sb wrote:
Lack of respect for others is becoming the norm. We see it every day on the roads. In the news - so many people shooting others every day. No respect for businesses - LL Bean had to stop their policy of lifetime returns because it was being abused - some people would outfit their kids for the school year and then at the end of the year send everything back to LL Bean for new items, complaining that the ones they had purchased were too small, and then get a whole new outfit for the next school year. A friend worked at Penny's and was disappointed at their willingness to let customers walk all over them - returning ANYTHING. They would have people return obviously used underwear and stinky well-slept-in bed sheets.

Oh yes - we see it on this blog often - some members are very quick to turn nasty or to make snide comments to a newbie who has asked a newbie question.
Lack of respect for others is becoming the norm. W... (show quote)


To be effective, there is no room for this in the military. The deterioration I witnessed from the 60's into the 90's was appalling and predictable, so I hope these new efforts are productive.

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Feb 15, 2018 07:08:22   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
We need to teach civics again !
As for the military , it needs a complete overhaul . All this diversity and gender-neutral stuff is a load of %#^* . Has no place in the military and results in a “ slack ship “ .

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Feb 15, 2018 07:46:28   #
daltonp Loc: Columbus, Ohio
 
I have taught high school for 23 years and have seen it get progressively worse. I have never been screamed at and sworn at like the last
couple of years. Administrators just say "We don't know what they are going through at home" or " Maybe they didn't take their medication."
The state of Ohio has tied our hands by tying discipline to test scores. Suspensions and expulsions lower your state test scores, so of course
there are no consequences. These kids expect redress for every tiny little wrong.

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Feb 15, 2018 09:03:54   #
fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH
 
Same effect as in many colleges. Since the draft ended, the quality of military recruits dropped and the lines of guys hoping to beat the draft by going to college dropped, accordingly. This was one reason colleges "dumbed down" their entrance requirements as well as their entire curriculum...they'll do anything to keep those tuition checks coming in. My best friend gave up being a college professor because the attitude of the students was so hostile from kids who felt entitled to a passing grade simply because they showed up for class. I'm glad to see the military is trying to reverse this trend; maybe colleges will follow suit when they realize American college graduates are being passed over for good jobs in favor of foreign educated kids who actually put some effort into learning something.

I supposed each generation laments that the newest generation is nothing but a bunch of coddled cry-babies with no drive or ambition and I wonder if our parents felt that way about us Baby Boomers? At least the competition resulting from the sheer number of us meant colleges and businesses could pick and choose the best of us in the '70's and '80's so we had to fight for what we achieved. Not so, for the Gen Xers and Millenials for whom the adjective "entitled" seems to best describe their attitude.

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Feb 15, 2018 09:16:35   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Many reflected that when the draft ended we would lose some of the important cross-section of talent and diversity. Others thought that an all volunteer force would be positive because everyone wanted to be there.

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Feb 15, 2018 09:23:18   #
Country Boy Loc: Beckley, WV
 
Had to laugh, if you look at their feet, they were greatly out of step - not like any drill Sergeant I ever marched in front of!

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Feb 15, 2018 09:26:32   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Country Boy wrote:
Had to laugh, if you look at their feet, they were greatly out of step - not like any drill Sergeant I ever marched in front of!


That was referred to as a herd or a mob and not a formation!

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Feb 15, 2018 10:45:38   #
tbpmusic Loc: LaPorte, Indiana
 
DaveO wrote:
Many reflected that when the draft ended we would lose some of the important cross-section of talent and diversity. Others thought that an all volunteer force would be positive because everyone wanted to be there.


They're probably in Route Step - looks like they're on a sidewalk or some sort of entry, Route Step would be the right call.

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Feb 15, 2018 10:55:51   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
tbpmusic wrote:
They're probably in Route Step - looks like they're on a sidewalk or some sort of entry, Route Step would be the right call.


LOL, depends on the circumstances! That was a joke! I used to be extremely familiar with FM 22-5 and MCO P5060.20. BTW, there are some subtle differences that I found out the hard way.

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Feb 15, 2018 11:29:09   #
tbpmusic Loc: LaPorte, Indiana
 
DaveO wrote:
........ FM 22-5 and MCO P5060.20. .........


Now you're talkin' Greek to me.
I was good at the soldierin' part (meaning staying alive and doing what had to be done), not so much as a "G.I." - that part I never got the hang of....

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Feb 15, 2018 11:36:15   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
tbpmusic wrote:
Now you're talkin' Greek to me.
I was good at the soldierin' part (meaning staying alive and doing what had to be done), not so much as a "G.I." - that part I never got the hang of....


No Greek..google would show that these are the drill and ceremony bibles for the Army and the Marine Corps. I had to know both, but that is another story. The difference between Route Step and At Ease March are in there as well! When units got sloppy and showed a lack of bearing, they were sometimes referred to disparaging as mobs or herds. LOL, the good old days. I would note that some units were easier to lead than others.

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Feb 15, 2018 14:26:46   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
tbpmusic wrote:
They're probably in Route Step - looks like they're on a sidewalk or some sort of entry, Route Step would be the right call.


'Route step' was for uneven or irregular ground that was detrimental to troops and cadence, not level concrete covered (as they are on) or curbs or fairly level ground (such as dirt roads). Even climbing steps, can be marched up. As well as 'marching in place' to allow some to enter a building. You can see them taking full stride, thus, so no building was in their way or they were just crashing into the building in route step. Even the leader is in full forward step.

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Feb 15, 2018 14:46:27   #
stepha11 Loc: Trail British Coluimbia
 
Flaws in the eyes of military-ha. The one thing that definitely is not a flaw is asking questions (four years in USAF before anyone asks). The government and the military should get a bunch of questions but more importantly there should be a bunch of answers. Can't have answers without questions, you know. One good answer I would like is about the likely question new recruits ask is," why is this crap so important?" A question that really needs an answer from military and especially government.

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