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Feb 12, 2018 18:46:01   #
GreenDruid Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
Verbal veritatis. That opinion about superiority of Dslr was formed in times before sensors and electronics were well developed for mirrorless cameras. Back then indeed it was truth. Now... just compare tech specs and you will see it is no longer like that.

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Feb 12, 2018 18:49:09   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
leftj wrote:
I know you realize that most photographers are not shooting with medium or large format cameras so what's your point? You just want to feel superior I suppose.


I think his point is that my 8x10 inch film camera will kick the pants off of his tiny 4x5, but I agree, so what???
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Feb 12, 2018 18:54:32   #
DMGill Loc: Colorado
 
This sounds a lot like the debate between SLRs and Rangefinders in the film days. 6 pages of debate on an issue that cannot be resolved because it has no resolution?

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Feb 12, 2018 18:58:18   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Kuzano wrote:


Praise be for mirrorless camera's, particularly now that the sensor size available up to full frame is now embodied in the class of camera's called mirrorless. Pro's are figuring it out.

What's up with the rest of the crowd?


In April I will once again go shoot my favorite event, the Sea Otter Classic bicycle event.
Last year when shooting the Dual Slalom there were 50 pros out there and not ONE had a mirrorless camera, not one, in fact only a few even were using Nikon!!! LoL
Lets see if THIS year I'm the only guy out there slapping a mirror around!!! LoL
Lets see if all those Pros have beat a path to the mirror-less door!!!
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Feb 12, 2018 20:02:46   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
Dale40203 wrote:
Google "hybrid viewfinder" and follow some links for early suggestions that OVF and EVF might someday be available in the same camera.
Before the Nikon D850 was released there were rumors that that model would have those features together.
This Youtube "review" is pretty interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JZ2lenfSaQ


I can't imagine how you could have a hybrid OVF/EVF without at least a part time mirror which would negate any advantages of mirrorless... actually any DSLR can be "mirrorless" in live view mode (most support it). I think it's best one way or the other - a hybrid is trying to please everyone but there are often compromises. At this point I don't see the advantages of mirrorless and yes I have used Sony, Olympus and Fuji. They have advantages when used with short, compact lenses for traveling but for longer lenses I don't see an advantage, except for higher fps which is not a big deal for me - it's just a card burner. If I need the mirror to get out of the way I can just use live view. Of the three I mentioned I think the Olympus system has the best handling and feel in the hands, but it is M43.

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Feb 12, 2018 20:03:31   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Wingpilot wrote:
It's been said a number of times here on UHH that a mirrorless camera just can't take images equal to those taken with a DSLR. I'm wonder how that is a valid supposition. It seems to me that once the image hits the sensor, the rest is up to the electronics to process that image, and it makes no difference how it got into the camera at that point.

So how is it that having a mirror and pentaprism in a camera makes its images superior to those taken with a mirrorless camera?

Here's a guy who would agree with your statement
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-513024-5.html#8685801
Largobob wrote:
Again, you pontificate with no substance.

Sorry. All I said was that when I see some breathtaking images taken with mirrorless cameras....I might consider them.

Mark's images, for the most part (IMHO) are WAY over processed. Probably not the fault of the camera....

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Feb 12, 2018 20:05:26   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
mas24 wrote:
Some interesting comments thus far on this topic. Mirrorless vs Mirror. I'm going to make an attempt to gain knowledge on the other mirrorless cameras, other than Sony. They are Panasonic, Olympus, and Fujifilm. All camera owners I associated with, are only owners of Nikon, Canon, and Sony mirrorless, both crop sensors and full frame. I have been told that Panasonic lenses (micro 4/3), are interchangeable with another (micro 4/3) Brand. I'm guessing Olympus?


That’s right. Olympus and Panasonic share the same mount. There are a few minor incompatibilities, but they are well known.

There are over 90 natively compatible lenses. Hundreds more can be adapted to varying degrees of automation.

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Feb 12, 2018 20:06:19   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Right, and if the processing is not the cameras fault, why would we credit the camera for a snapshot or work of art? Man, some people really try to mix things up.

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Feb 12, 2018 20:26:49   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Nikon and Canon will most likely (if you believe the leaks) introduce high-end full-frame mirrorless camera systems of their own THIS YEAR to try and compete with Sony and other mirrorless brands. DLSR sales (while good in December 2017-due in part to great D850 orders) were down around 14% for the year 2017, while mirrorless sales were up almost 24% for year 2017.

The handwriting is on the wall. DSLRs won't disappear completely ever, but the photo world is marching toward mirrorless for a host of advantages. Competition among camera makers is all good for the consumer. Photographers hold onto you seats as you watch the greatest parade of new gear ever, in the run to the 2020 Tokyo Olympics were all these Japanese camera makers want the world to see their dominance.
Nikon and Canon will most likely (if you believe t... (show quote)


They (canon and especially Nikon) may release them this year, but they will still be behind the true leaders (Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, and Olympus) in the mirrorless world no matter how hard they try.

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Feb 12, 2018 20:33:23   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
They (canon and especially Nikon) may release them this year, but they will still be behind the true leaders (Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, and Olympus) in the mirrorless world no matter how hard they try.


I say, bring 'em on. Competition will drive innovation forward.

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Feb 12, 2018 20:41:02   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
They (canon and especially Nikon) may release them this year, but they will still be behind the true leaders (Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, and Olympus) in the mirrorless world no matter how hard they try.


You maybe correct, but with all the tech available today, I can see Nikon building a D850 caliber mirrorless camera first try.

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Feb 12, 2018 20:56:52   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
They (canon and especially Nikon) may release them this year, but they will still be behind the true leaders (Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, and Olympus) in the mirrorless world no matter how hard they try.


How do you know that? You may have 20/20 hindsight, but 20/20 foresight would be a wonderful gift, even for a God on Mount Olympus! Zeus didn't manage that, and although I might be inclined to pay attention to Gal Godot Princess Diana of Themyscira, I'm not convinced that even she has all the answers about the future. Perhaps I would place my confidence in Yogi Berra: "It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future."

Are you truly willing to held accountable for your predictions? Apparently crow can be a good meal, but it takes a bit of preparation: http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/cast-iron-chef/cooking-crow-meat-recipe-blackbird-pie

How are your culinary skills?

Remember that "A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore."



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Feb 12, 2018 21:06:51   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
tdekany wrote:
You maybe correct, but with all the tech available today, I can see Nikon building a D850 caliber mirrorless camera first try.


No way would I spend as much money as they’re going to ask on version 1...and especially if it comes with a new mount (likely)...however those Nikon diehards will likely gladly throw money their way. Look how long it has taken the companies that have been doing mirrorless to come out with great products. As much as I loved the em1.1, it too had some buggy issues. The em5.1 even more so.

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Feb 12, 2018 21:13:41   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Peterff wrote:


How are your culinary skills?


This is me yesterday with a my Searzall after an 8 hour 136f sous vide 2 rib bone in prime rib cook.

Perfect medium edge to edge.

So yeah, I know my way around the kitchen as I do 95% of the cooking for my family.


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Feb 12, 2018 21:17:26   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
burkphoto wrote:
I say, bring 'em on. Competition will drive innovation forward.


Absolutely, no argument with that. It is certainly arguable that both Canon and Nikon are "on the back foot", but counting them out is a risky call. I'm not a TV sports fan - perhaps with the exception of Lindsey Vonn - but 'The Eagles'? Really? Not till 'Hell Freezes Over'! But wait, it just happened, didn't it?

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