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Dec 7, 2017 06:17:02   #
John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
 
mas24 wrote:
I thought Brexit was suppose to make life better for the British. You were not going to be under the control of the EU. Did it backfire making things worse?


The only thing that backfired was the Politicians promises. No surprise there. The referendum was offered on a straight IN or OUT basis and the decision went the way that most politicians couldn't swallow. They've been making a mountain out of a molehill ever since. Perhaps because there is no one else to blame if it all goes wrong in the future. I wouldn't trust our current crop (90% of them anyway) with a monopoly game, let alone real money.

I could go on, but most of us have our own problems in this convoluted world.

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Dec 7, 2017 07:55:33   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Protect our (US) boarders. You mean like from the millions who entered including the Coward In Chief's ancestors who were immigrants? The US is a nation of immigrants and should remain one. Biggest complaint among the Cuban population who arrived after Castro is that the grandkids don't speak Spanish!

You know nothing of the United States!



machia wrote:
Of course an Aircraft Carrier can be sunk just like any other surface ship . The next naval war will be a bloody one , but that doesn’t mean you stop maintaining a strong Navy . Without a Navy the free sea lanes cease to exist .
As far as Britain is concerned though , you had better protect your borders too . All of Europe should .
While our Commander in Chief may have character flaws , he is human . But he does understand that a nation and a culture cannot survive with open borders . I give him very high marks on that .
National self preservation takes more than a powerful Army and Navy . It also requires good common sense , not the insanity of Leftist political correctness .
Build all the Carriers you want UK , but if you continue to leave your front door wide open as the United States has since 1965 , well , spare yourself all the problems . When people fail to assimilate inside your own borders because of mass immigration , you begin to lose your country .
Of course an Aircraft Carrier can be sunk just lik... (show quote)

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Dec 7, 2017 08:31:34   #
Hanksite Loc: Greenville, SC
 
In war an aircraft carrier has one task > launch it's planes. After that it is expendable.

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Dec 7, 2017 08:37:46   #
sr71 Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land
 
Hanksite wrote:
In war an aircraft carrier has one task > launch it's planes. After that it is expendable.


Pure Bunk.....

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Dec 7, 2017 09:10:48   #
phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York
 
d3200prime wrote:
Maybe that's because we haven't been in another war with a nation capable of destroying one of our aircraft carriers, ya think?



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Dec 7, 2017 09:23:47   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Hanksite wrote:
In war an aircraft carrier has one task > launch it's planes. After that it is expendable.


Where are the planes supposed to come back to?

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Dec 7, 2017 09:39:23   #
Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast
 
ole sarg wrote:
Protect our (US) boarders.


I think you mean borders, not boarders, though from the tenor of your post, it is entirely possible that you mean boarders.

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You mean like from the millions who entered including the Coward In Chief's ancestors who were immigrants?

I suspect you do not know, understand or appreciate the difference between "legal immigration" and "illegal immigration, AKA invasion."

I will also point out that 0bama is no longer president, so you should have said the Ex-Coward-In-Chief. See the distinction?"

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The US is a nation of immigrants and should remain one.

We are also a nation of laws. We do have laws regarding immigration and they should be followed or changed by Congress, not fiat.

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Biggest complaint among the Cuban population who arrived after Castro is that the grandkids don't speak Spanish!

You know nothing of the United States!


Should we care about what the post-Castro Cubans allegedly complain?

As for your last assertion, I would guess that depends on at whom it was aimed. You might want to buttress your argument by telling us why you think you know more of the United States that your target.

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Dec 7, 2017 09:47:40   #
Yankeepapa6 Loc: New York City
 
viscountdriver wrote:
Soon the state of the art Royal Navy aircraft carriers will be operational.They cost billions and years to build. I wonder if it is worth it? One well aimed missile could see them off. I expect they have misfile defence but would it always work?


Too bad, you didn't have one when the German Army kicked your ass all over Europe and the Med. How lucky are you that Germany did not bomb or shell the beaches at Dunkirk???

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Dec 7, 2017 09:48:39   #
Yankeepapa6 Loc: New York City
 
Hanksite wrote:
In war an aircraft carrier has one task > launch it's planes. After that it is expendable.


I think you forgot about ...recovery.

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Dec 7, 2017 09:52:06   #
Yankeepapa6 Loc: New York City
 
John N wrote:
The only thing that backfired was the Politicians promises. No surprise there. The referendum was offered on a straight IN or OUT basis and the decision went the way that most politicians couldn't swallow. They've been making a mountain out of a molehill ever since. Perhaps because there is no one else to blame if it all goes wrong in the future. I wouldn't trust our current crop (90% of them anyway) with a monopoly game, let alone real money.

I could go on, but most of us have our own problems in this convoluted world.
The only thing that backfired was the Politicians ... (show quote)


Right about now the only thing the Brits are concerned about is some red-headed kid and his girlfriend. OH, wait. A big todo about she carrying a pocketbook and did or did not wear nylons.

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Dec 7, 2017 09:58:29   #
Yankeepapa6 Loc: New York City
 
ole sarg wrote:
Protect our (US) boarders. You mean like from the millions who entered including the Coward In Chief's ancestors who were immigrants? The US is a nation of immigrants and should remain one. Biggest complaint among the Cuban population who arrived after Castro is that the grandkids don't speak Spanish!

You know nothing of the United States!


There may be a difference about assimilating into the American culture. Also the level of welfare and every other entitlement program known to mankind. Sticky little fact about violating the US Immigration Laws. Dare I say it; no foreigner has the RIGHT to enter the US. You go through the process and wait your turn. You are owed nothing.

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Dec 7, 2017 10:11:05   #
Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast
 
Yankeepapa6 wrote:
Too bad, you didn't have one when the German Army kicked your ass all over Europe and the Med. How lucky are you that Germany did not bomb or shell the beaches at Dunkirk???


Near as I can tell the Royal Navy had at least 4 fleet carriers at the start of WWII, September 1, 1939 and they added at least 8 more before then end of the war.

You might want to read up on Dunkirk a little more; the Germans certainly did bomb the beaches, but the Royal Air Force was there also. I think what you meant to say was "why didn't the Wehrmacht overrun the beaches of Dunkirk? The reason was Hitler would not allow it.

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Dec 7, 2017 10:49:40   #
viscountdriver Loc: East Kent UK
 
Yes,I remember it well.I was fighting at the time.That was when you stood back and watched us try and fight the evil from Hitler until the Japs sunk a large amount of your fleet.

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Dec 7, 2017 11:03:08   #
CaptainBobBrown
 
Purpose of aircraft carriers is to project force to distant locations. Without Empire Britain doesn't have great need to project force so hard to see where their interests lie in spending money on obsolete tech. In their 1996 book, The Future of War, George and Meredith Friedman noted that throughout history every weapons system became obsolete and more expensive protecting against less expensive and more effective weapons systems until they finally were dispatched by the next more effective system. Thus, heavier and heavier armor was adopted by medieval knights to defeat cross bows so cross bows were improved until they became obsolete in the face of guns, etc. The Friedmans predicted in 1996 that it wouldn't be long before aircraft carrier groups became so large and expensive to defend against submarine, air-to-air, surface-to-air, and land-to-air missiles that they would become obsolete. We're there now. An Iranian owned Silk-Worm can take out a carrier way out of sight of land so "projection of force" is becoming an obsolete concept. Our navy is trying to adapt by pouring lots of money into smaller faster moving "brown water" warships but that will only lead to development of even faster and smaller missile threats forcing the brown water navies of the world to adapt by hauling along faster and more effective missile defense ships as the carrier battle groups have done...and on and on. South China Seas is where we'll see current obsolescence play out.

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Dec 7, 2017 11:37:18   #
fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH
 
viscountdriver wrote:
Soon the state of the art Royal Navy aircraft carriers will be operational.They cost billions and years to build. I wonder if it is worth it? One well aimed missile could see them off. I expect they have misfile defence but would it always work?


That's why there's a "carrier task force" not just a lone carrier. Each carrier is surrounded by a host of ships ranging from missile frigates, to a submarine below it. Their task is to keep the carrier safe from any threat but as others have said, there has been no real test, yet.

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